Fatima[ra]: Burning of House & Bayah of Ali[ra]


Previously i just reading shia arguments against Umar[ra] & found the cheap trick by shia’s to deceive layman shia’s or sunni’s. Ofcourse shia followed his predecessor in this regard, hence he filled this with lies and deceptions.

Let me first give you some quote about shia ar-raafidah:

1. Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee and other Ulemaa stated that we should not narrate from the Raafidhah Shee’ah as they are amongst the liars.

2. Ibn Taymiyyah reported in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/59 -62):

وقال مؤمل بن إهاب سمعت يزيد بن هارون يقول يكتب عن كل صاحب بدعة إذا لم يكن داعية إلا الرافضة فإﻧﻬم يكذبون

Mu’mal Ibn Ihaab said: I heard Yazeed Bin Haaroon (d. 206H) saying,
“The narrations of every person of innovation can be written as long as he is not a caller to it, except the Raafidah, since they are liars.

3. Ibn Taymiyyah recorded in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/69):

قال أبو حاتم الرازي سمعت يونس بن عبد الأعلى يقول قال أشهب بن عبد العزيز سئل مالك عن الرافضة فقال لا تكلمهم ولا ترو عنهم فإﻧﻬم يكذبون وقال أبو حاتم حدثنا حرملة قال سمعت الشافعي يقول لم أر أحدا أشهد بالزور من الرافضة

“Aboo Haatim ar-Raazee (d.277H) said,

“I heard Yoonus bin ‘Abd al-A’laa saying: Ashhaab bin ‘Abdul’Azeez asked Maalik (d.179H) about the Raafidah, so he said, ”Do not speak to them and do not narrate from them, since they lie.
& many many quotes.

Shia always fabricate the story from non-authentic sunni sources, that Umar[ra] threatened to burn the house of Fatima[ra]!  & umar[ra] hit her with handle of sword and that resulted in abortion of son namely mohsin & then they beated Ali[ra] for allegiance [bayah].

& they use this sahih hadith from bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546 as a support & combine it with non-authentic reports & as a whole they imply that what they [shia] portray is correct!

But the truth is that: Aisha (r.a) narrated what she knew. And she didn’t know that Ali (r.a) pledged allegiance in the very beginning. When people started to talk that he didn’t pledged allegiance, he came and did it second time to avoid fitnah & we have sahih hadith which clearly says Ali(ra) gave bayah to abu bakr(ra) on the very first day.

Here is the sunni hadith [sahih isnad but mursal hadith], which proves that umar[ra] neither attacked not threaten fatima[ra] but it shows that umar[ra] showed her merits, from mosanif ibn abi sheebah, vol 13,book maghazi, page 201,hadeeth 38061

حدثنا : محمد بن بشر ، نا : عبيد الله بن عمر ، حدثنا : زيد بن أسلم ، عن أبيه أسلم : أنه حين بويع لأبي بكر بعد رسول الله (ص) كان علي والزبير يدخلان على فاطمة بنت رسول الله (ص) فيشاورونها ويرتجعون في أمرهم ، فلما بلغ ذلك عمر بن الخطاب خرج حتى دخل على فاطمة ، فقال : يا بنت رسول الله (ص) ، والله ما من أحد أحب إلينا من أبيك ، وما من أحد أحب إلينا بعد أبيك منك ، وأيم الله ما ذاك بمانعي إن إجتمع هؤلاء النفر عندك ، أن أمرتهم أن يحرق عليهم البيت ، قال : فلما خرج عمر جاءوها فقالت : تعلمون أن عمر قد جاءني وقد حلف بالله لئن عدتم ليحرقن عليكم البيت وأيم الله ليمضين لما حلف عليه ، فإنصرفوا راشدين ، فروا رأيكم ولا ترجعوا إلي ، فإنصرفوا عنها فلم يرجعوا إليها حتى بايعوا لأبي بكر

This arabic statement ” أن يحرق عليهم البيت ” is the biggest shia trick to deceive the non-arabic members:

Muhammad ibn Bishr from Ubaydullah ibn Umar from Zayd ibn Aslam from his father Aslam [the mawla of Umar.]
When Abu Bakr received the pledges of allegiance after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and al-Zubayr used to enter the presence of Fatima the daughter of the Messenger of Allah and consult with her and hesitate in their allegiance. When news of this reached Umar ibn al-Khattab, he came out until he entered Fatima’s presence and said: Daughter of the Messenger of Allah, none in all creation was more dearly beloved to me than your father, and none is more beloved to us after him than you. However, by Allah, this shall not prevent me, if that group gathers in your house, to order that their house be set afire!” When Umar went out, they came and she said: “Do you know that `Umar came to me and swore by Allah that if you were to come back, he shall surely burn the door with you inside! By Allah, he shall certainly fulfill what he swore, so go away in peace, flee from your opinion, and do not come back to see me.” They left her and did not return to see her until they pledged their allegiance to Abu Bakr.”

Points to note:

1. Ameer al-Mu‘mineen Omar bin al-Khattab[ra] showed the rank of Fatima[ra] by saying she was most beloved to the people and him after her father.

2. Omar[ra] did not threaten Fatima[ra], but warned her about those gathering in her house. This can be seen by the statement ‘Alaihim’ and not ‘Alaikum’ in the statement ” أن يحرق عليهم البيت ” “if that group gathers in your house, to order that their house be set afire”.

Comment: But shia play the game with arabic because they are jahil persians.

Now the second problem arises for shia’s is that Ali(ra) gave his own daughter to Umar(ra) in nikah & even shia have sahih hadiths on that, as discussed here & here.

Then after this, they will show you this:

Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: “By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire.” al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him.”
– Tarikh Tabari Volume 9 page 187

Chain of Transmission:
Mohammed Ibn Humayd: the source of a significant portion of Tarikh Tabari; Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Mo’een and Ibn Jarir Tabari considered him trustworthy, although the like of Dhahabi disagreed with that (refer to Mizan al I’tidaal)
Jarir: Ahmed Ibn Hanbal narrated from him in his Musnad, as did Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi
Mugheera: “Scholar, trusted in hadith, wise” Tahtheeb al-Tahtheeb Volume 10 Page 270 #482.
Nisaii likewise trusted him.
Ziyad Ibn Kulayb: Mizan al I’tidaal by Dhahabi, Volume 2 #798 – Nisaii said he was thiqah (trustworthy) as did Ibn Hajar and Ibn Haban

But the problem is that the narration from Tarikh Tabari. It comes via chain:

ابن حميد قال حدثنا جرير عن مغيرة عن زياد بن كليب

There are several problems in this chain.

1) Ibn Humayd: Razi said
He mixes asnaad (chain of narrations) and matan (text) of narrations (دخلت على محمد بن حميد وهو يركب الأسانيد على المتون)

Nasai said:
He is not trustworthy (ليس بثقة)

Asadi said:
ما رايت احدا احذق بالكذب من رجلين: سليمان بن الشاذكوني، ومحمد بن حميد الرازي
I have never seen a natural liar, except for two persons: Sulaymân ash-Shâdhakûnî and Muhammad ibn Humayd ar-Razi. 22

Al Iraqi said
He is one of the liars (هو أحد الكذابين)

Jozjani said
He is not trustworthy (غير ثقة)

http://www.alrad.net/hiwar/sahaba/11.htm

2) Jarir ibn Hazim was thiqat, but he got confused in the end of his life. Abdurrahman ibn Mahdi noted that no one heard from him in that time (Abu Saeed al-Alai “al-Mukhtalitin” №8) Ibn Hajar said that he has errs when narrated from his memory. (Taqrib).

3) Mughira ibn Muqsim made tadlis, as he was described by Nasai, and this hadith he reported in muanan form.

4) Ziyad ibn Kulaib Abu Muashar al-Kufi. He was thiqat, but he wasn’t companion. In “Tahzib al-kamal” written the he died in 110 or 119 hijri. Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) died in 11 hijri. So this ibn Kulaib very unlikely was a eye witness of that alleged forced bayah to Abu Bakr (r.a).

So the hadith is weak & disconnected & has the gap of around 100yrs in between the incident.

We have sahih reports that all sahaba’s[ra] gave bayah to abu bakr[ra] at that time.

1. وقد اتفق الصحابة رضي الله عنهم على بيعة الصديق في ذلك الوقت، حتى علي بن أبي طالب والزبير بن العوام رضي الله عنهما

all the sahaba (may Allah be pleased with them) gave allegiance to (abu bakr) siddique[ra] at the time, even ali and zubair bin al awam (may Allah be pleased with them)

than he gives many narration as a proof, one of which is as below:

وروينا من طريق المحاملي عن القاسم بن سعيد بن المسيب عن علي بن عاصم عن الحريري عن أبي نصرة عن أبي سعيد فذكره مثله في مبايعة علي والزبير رضي الله عنهما يومئذ

and this narration reached us through Muhamili, from qasim bin saeed bin musaib , from ali bin asim, from al hariri, from abu nazra , from abu saeed al khudri, similar to what mentioned earlier , that ali and zubair rendered allegiance on the same day

Source: al bidaya volume 6 page 302

2. Sahih hadith by Abu Sa’eed al Khudri (RA) that Ali (RA) gave Baya’ah immediatly to Abu bakr al Siddiq (RA):

فعن أبى سعيد الخدري- رضي الله عنه- قال قبض رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم واجتمع الناس في دار سعد بن عبادة وفيهم أبو بكر وعمر قال فقام خطيب الأنصار فقال أتعلمون أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان من المهاجرين وخليفته من المهاجرين ونحن كنا أنصار رسول الله ونحن أنصار خليفته كما كنا أنصاره قال فقام عمر بن الخطاب فقال صدق قائلكم أما لو قلتم على غير هذا لم نبايعكم وأخذ بيد أبي بكر وقال هذا صاحبكم فبايعوه فبايعه عمر وبايعه المهاجرون والأنصار قال فصعد أبو بكر المنبر فنظر في وجوه القوم فلم ير الزبير قال فدعا بالزبير فجاء فقال قلت ابن عمة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وحواريه أردت أن تشق عصا المسلمين فقال لا تثريب يا خليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقام فبايعه ثم نظر في وجوه القوم فلم ير عليا فدعا بعلي بن أبي طالب فجاء فقال قلت ابن عم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وختنه على ابنته أردت أن تشق عصا المسلمين قال لا تثريب يا خليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فبايعه.

Abu Sa’eed al Khudri may Allah be pleased with him said: When the Prophet’s PBUH soul passed away and when the people gathered at the place of Sa’ad bin Umbadah and amongst them were Abu bakr and Umar, a Khatib from the Ansar(Supporters) spoke: “You know that the Prophet of Allah PBUH was from the Mouhajirun(immigrants) and his Caliph must also be from the Mouhajirun, we were the Ansar of the Prophet PBUH and we will be the Ansar of his Caliph just as we were his Ansar”. then Umar bin al Khattab stood up and said “This Man from amongst the Ansar speaks truth and if it were anything other than this then we would not give you a baya’ah(Pledge of allegiance)” then he grabbed the hand of Abu bakr and said: “this is your Close companion so give him Baya’ah” then Umar and the Mouhajirun and the Ansar all gave him Baya’ah. Abu bakr stood on the Mimbar and he looked at the faces of all the people there but he never saw al Zubair so he called for him and and he came so he told him: “O son of the Prophet’s PBUH aunt and his disciple would you want to split the cause of the Muslims?” Zubair said: “Not at all O Caliph of the Prophet of Allah” then he stood and gave him Baya’ah, Then he looked at the faces of the people but did not spot Ali so he called for Ali bin abi Talib and he came to him so he said: “O cousin of the prophet of Allah and the husband of his daughter would you want to split the cause of the Muslims?” So Ali replied: “Not at all O Caliph of the Prophet of Allah” then he stood and gave him Baya’ah.

sources:
-Mujama’a al Zawa’ed (5/183) with its Rijal being those of the SAHIH.
-Al Bidayah wal nihayah (5/281) with its Isnad being Thabit and SAHIH.
-Al Mustadrak (3/76) and al Sunan al Kubrah (8/143) with two SAHIH Isnads.

Imam Muslim bin al Hajjaj (Author of Sahih muslim) and Imam al hafiz Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Khuzaymah (Author of Sahih Ibn Khuzaymah) and Imam Ibn Katheer all talked about the importance of this Sahih narration.

3. رواية حبيب بن أبي ثابت، حيث قال: كان علي بن أبي طالب في بيته، فأتاه رجل، فقال له:
قد جلس أبو بكر للبيعة، فخرج عليّ إلى المسجد في قميص له، ما عليه إزار ولا رداء، وهو متعجِّل، كراهة أن يبطئ عن البيعة، فبايع أبا بكر، ثم جلس، وبعث إلى ردائه فجاؤوه به، فلبسه فوق قميصه

this narration agrees with the Sahih narration above:

In the Hadith of Habib bin abu Thabit: Ali bin Abu talib was in his house then a Man came to him and told him “Abu Bakr has gotten ready for the Baya’ah” So Ali went out to the mosque wearing only his Qamis without a Izar or a Ridaa and he was hasty because he hated to be late for the Baya’ah, then he gave the Baya’ah to Abu bakr and sat down and later asked for his Ridaa so it was brought for him and he wore it on top of his Qamis.

source: Tareekh al tabari 3/207, the Sanad is Mursal, it contains Seif bin Umar and he is weak and it contains Abdul Aziz bin Siyah who is trustworthy but is a Shia.

4. قال على رضي الله عنه والزبير: «ما غضبنا إلا لأنا قد أخرنا عن المشاورة، وأنا نرى أبا بكر أحق الناس بها بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، إنه لصاحب الغار، وثاني اثنين، وإنا لنعلم بشرفه، وكبره، ولقد أمره رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بالصلاة بالناس وهو حي»

Ali and al Zubair were asked about the Baya’ah and they said: “We were only angry because we were late for the consultation, we see Abu Bakr as the most deserving of the people to this position after the Apostle of Allah PBUH, he is the companion in the cave and the second of the two and we know of his honour and rank, The prophet PBUh had ordered him to lead the people in prayer while he was alive”.

sources: Al Bidayah wal nihayah (6/341), Khilafat Abu Bakr p67, Isnad is Good.

5. عن قيس العبدي قال: «شهدت خطبة على يوم البصرة قال: فحمد الله وأثنى عليه وذكر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وما عالج من الناس، ثم قبضه الله عز وجل إليه، ثم رأى المسلمون أن يستخلفوا أبا بكر- رضي الله عنه – فبايعوا وعاهدوا وسلموا، وبايعت وعاهدت وسلمت، ورضوا ورضيت، وفعل من الخير وجاهد حتى قبضه الله عز وجل، رحمة الله عليه»

Narrated Qays bin al Abdi: I Witnesses the Sermon of Ali on the Day of Basarah, he said: ” He praised Allah and thanked him and he mentioned the Prophet PBUH and his sacrifice to the people, then Allah swt took his soul, Then the Muslims saw that they should give the Caliphate to Abu bakr (RA) so they pledged their allegiance and made their promise of loyalty, and I gave my pledge and I promised him my loyalty, They were pleased and so was I. He(Abu Bakr) did good deeds and made Jihad until Allah took his soul may Allah have mercy on him.”

source:
السنة، عبد الله بن أحمد (2/563) رجال الإسناد ثقات.

Al Sunnah for Abdullah bin Ahmad (2/563) The Narrators are all trustworthy. So hadith is authentic.

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48 responses to “Fatima[ra]: Burning of House & Bayah of Ali[ra]

  1. amr

    salam alikom brother
    i’m sunni proud with u and ur blog to show true beleif and defend sahabes and aisha
    continue what u do
    ofcourse hadeeth firing house of fatima was put by farsi people as umar ibn elkhatab destroy their empire and made arabes over them
    i want from u if u can collect all documents to me concerning to true hadeeths on shia books which show true beleif of us
    salam

  2. Masha Allah brother, great article

  3. amr

    gazak allah khira
    i want details of sermon of shaqshaqiaia الخطبة الشقشقية
    sanad and matn سند ومتن
    جزاك الله خيرا

  4. al-kulayni

    Assalamu Aleykum,

    The hadith from musanaf ibn abi shayba is not sahih because Aslam mawla of Umar was not present during the so-called event. He came to madina during year 11 after H (see al tahdheeb of ibn hajar), and this so-called event happened during the year 10 after the death of Prophet. And Aslam was a tabi’i and not a sahabi.

    • u r wrong: prophet[pbuh] died on 12th Rabbi-ul-Awwal 11 Hijrah, & the event took place on 11th hijra as well. So most likely he witnessed that bayah, & at that time almost all sahaba were present, so ur logic is wrong, from SUNNI HADITH SCIENCE this hadith is SAHIH without any single doubt.

  5. al-kulayni

    Assalamu Aleykum,

    First Aslam ibn Zayd was not a sahabi but a Tabi’i bought by Umar in year 11 when he came back from the Hajj, see tahzib of ibn hajar : قال بن إسحاق بعث أبو بكر عمر سنة 11 فأقام للناس الحج وابتاع فيها أسلم مولاه

    and prophet (saws) died of course in year 11 during rabi’ al awwal and not in year 10 as i said previously, i made a mistake but if you see muslim calendar Aslam was not present during the death of Prophet (saws) and bay’ah of Abu Bakr because he came only after Hajj of year 11 as you can read it in al tahzib of ibn hajar.

    so it’s not a sahih hadith because there is an irsal.

    Wa Allahu a’lam

    P.S : dear brother, to answer to Salam is not an option but an obligation.

    • salam

      akhi, u r arguing nothing. U r just claiming he was tabai & bought at 11 hijra hajj, so hadith is non-sahih!!
      first of all: he was maula of umar[ra] & tehrefore he was among BIG TABIUN, this is the positive point that he knows about sahaba[ra] better.
      ^^ don’t apply shia weird logic [sahaba hate/lie sahaba] on SUNNI HADITHS.
      He is thiqa without any doubt & his hadiths is accepted. better check the methodology of IMAM DHAHABI.
      Imam Al-Dhahabi has stated a criteria for those with this description (Majhool) whom you can accept there tradition and rely on, and that is: if they are from the Big or Middle-level Tabieen … if they narrate what does not go against the established principles and its wordings is not weak then you can rely on it.

      ^^ As u can see imam dhahabi even accept majhul big tabaeen’s tradition as authentic until & unless it contradicts the other more authentic traditions.

      I gave u option: better present quote which says: mursala of ASLAM is not acceptable or present more SAHIH hadith to reject this view.

      wasalam

  6. al-kulayni

    wa aleykum assalam,

    He was not present at this so-called event because Umar (raa) bought him during Hajj 11H so he can’t narrate this so-called event from himself, it’s simple. I didn’t say he was not thiqqa, i said there is an irsal between him and this so-called event.

    So now just told me where is the link between him and this so-called event ?

    • As i said u don’t know SUNNI HADITH SCIENCE & i showed u opinion of imam dhahabi.

      So better learn HADITH SCIENCE first, & then ask whatever u want.

      & as i said: I gave u option: better present quote which says: mursala of ASLAM is not acceptable or present more SAHIH hadith to reject this view.

      wasalam

  7. Salam alaikum.
    First of all I’d like to say that brother Kulayni is right. If it’s well established that Aslam wasn’t eye witness, this report would be rejected without single doubt. Because first of all it’s contradicts to the reports that Ali pledged allegiance at the very first time. If he would be forced to do that, that would be mentioned in saheeh reports. Second, the quote that you have from Dhahabi says: if they narrate what does not go against the established principles and its wordings is not weak then you can rely on it.

    Idea that Umar would treat Fatima with burning in itself contradicts to logic, and well known history facts. I am sure that Ali wouldn’t be adviser and wouldn’t name his children by the name of person who threatened his wife!

    Aslam was a big tabein could hear this story from someone other than companions.

    • Akhi u missing few things. & ur suddenly coming to conclusion is strange.
      According to Abu Zur’ah, Aslam is one of the best people that narrated the seerah of Omar, due to his knowledge of Omar, and it was Omar that called him: Abu Khalid. (Ikmal Tahtheeb Al-Kamal, 1/134)

      Keep in mind that most of Aslam’s shaikhs were Sahabis. According to Al-Mizzi, the only shaikh that wasn’t a Sahabi was Ka’b Al-Ahbaar. Either way, it is very unlikely for Aslam to have narrated something about Omar, that would hurt his character, from someone that isn’t trustworthy. Plus, Aslam was with Omar for at least ten years. Then, there was an additional thirteen years or so before the fitna of Othman which is when people started to lie. So, this leaves us with the conclusion that Aslam, after over twenty three years of being around Sahabis, one day, meets some liar that tells him something about his old master, which Aslam believes, and teaches his son. Very unlikely.

      Also, there is no real contradiction between the character of Omar in this event and others. His love for Islam is greater than his love for the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh). The Prophet (pbuh) himself said that he would cut the hand of Fatima if she stole. Obviously though, he didn’t have any reason to believe that she would steal. Nor did Omar believe that they would not give Abu Bakr their pledge of allegiance.

      Perhaps the only thing that needs to be looked into is how this specific narration fits in with the other narrations of Ali’s bay’ah. Other than that, there is no reason to reject this narration.

      Actually, there is nothing more preferable than to see Shias use this narration against us. It is because by narrating this, they are accepting that Omar never burned the house, but only threatened to burn it.

    • Ali naqvi

      Salam Aliykum brother i am belongs from jafri school of thoughts (teachings of Ahlbait a.s)
      So here i want to assure u that yes imam Ali a.s name his.sons umer and usman but Abu bakr is not acceptable cause the abu bakr is kinia (title) not a name.abu bark real name was ateek and when abu bark accept islam then his name change to Abdullah.
      And one question at that time is there only one umer and usman .
      Prophet Muhammad s.a.a.w also there is shaba who name is usman bin mafwaan that accept islam at the first in 50 persons at starting .
      And he is buried at the janat ul baqi
      So i recommend u that listen the lecture of ammar nakshwani about “did imam Ali a.s name his son’s umer abu bark and usman?)
      And there is no complain with names
      Imam Hussain a.s also have son name of abu bakr and u,sman. imam hassan also have.see the list of army of imam Hussain a.s

  8. Assalam aleikum,

    For quiet sometimes I have been reading the slanderous allegations by Shias against the most eminent of the companions of the prophet Muhammad(SAW) on the different webpages.

    Alhamdulliah!! Allah will bless you for your genuine and kind work.Your site is dismantling the cobweb of accusation and allegations against the wives and companions of the priophet.

    Many of my misconceptions have been evaporated.

  9. mohammed shozab

    salam,
    ok…answer me for this if hazrat ali (as) paid allgience to abu bakar ,umar and usman then why did he not fight any battle under these people kingdom that too when jehad was compulsory and Hazrat ali (as) did engage in
    battle during the time of his caliphate and at prophet mohammad(s.a.w) ‘s time….If people could be infidel if they
    curse aisa bibi so what would be fate of that one who killed her?

  10. Ziman

    Was fatima take bayah to abu bakr(ra)?

    • salam

      before that u have to ask: did ayesha[ra] took bayah?
      i don’t think so, u will alwz find each & every SAHIH hadith for each person giving bayah to abu bakr[ra]..
      We have SAHIH hadith, that fatima[ra] was pleased with abu bakr[ra], so this is enough strong justification that she was with abu bakr[ra].
      Her husband i.e. Ali[ra] gave bayah, her children’s said abu bakr’s[ra] khalifat was HAQ. refer: https://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/opinion-of-ahle-baytra-on-khalifat-of-abu-bakrra-love-for-him/

      & many more examples..

      I say: IF ANY RAFIDI SAID: FATIMA[RA] DIDNOT GAVE BAYAH TO ABU BAKR[RA], THEN ASK HIM TO PRESENT SAHIH HADITH THAT EACH & EVERY WIFE OF PROPHET[PBUH] GAVE BAYAH TO ABU BAKR[RA]. IF RAFIDA FAIL TO GIVE EXAMPLE, THEN SAY TO HIM, TO STOP THIS JAHALAT.

      wasalam

  11. AKAKAKA

    LOL, I heard even after this door indicient she apporached abu bakr for fadak

  12. Allah’s Apostle said, “Fatima is a part of me, and whoever makes her angry, makes me angry.”

    Sahih-Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 57, Number 111 | Sahih Muslim : Volume 5, Book 57, Number 61

    ……… then he told me secretly that I would be the first of his family to follow him, so I laughed ( at that time).”

    Sahih Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 718

    So Abu Bakr refused to hand over anything from it to Fatima who got angry with Abu Bakr for this reason. She forsook him and did not talk to him until the end of her life. She lived for six months after the death of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).

    Sahih-Muslim: Book 019, Number 4352

    ……..She (Fatima) remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband ‘Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself……..

    Sahih Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546.

    When she (Fatima) died, her husband. ‘Ali b. Abu Talib, buried her at night. He did not inform Abu Bakr about her death and offered the funeral prayer over her himself.

    Sahih-Muslim: Book 019, Number 4352

    ……..When Fatima was alive, the people used to respect ‘Ali much, but after her death, ‘Ali noticed a change in the people’s attitude towards him. So Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance (bayet). ‘Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months (i.e. the period between the Prophet’s death and Fatima’s death)……..

    Sahih Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546.

    …..He (Ali) had not yet owed allegiance to him as Caliph during these months…..

    Sahih-Muslim: Book 019, Number 4352

    DISLIKE to meet with Hadhrat Umar

    ……..’Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying, “Come to us, but let nobody come with you,” as he (Ali) disliked that ‘Umar should come, ‘Umar said (to Abu Bakr), “No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone ” Abu Bakr said, “What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them……..

    Sahih Bukhari :Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546.

    ….He (Ali) sent a person to Abu Bakr requesting him to visit him unaccompanied by anyone (disapproving the presence of Umar)….

    Sahih-Muslim: Book 019, Number 4352

    Ali, You are from me and I am from you. |
    Sahih Bukhari – Bab Manaqib ‘Ali

    ( This Hadith is avaible in Arabic version of Sahih Bukhari, Its missing in online English version. | http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&BookID=24&PID=3509 )

    A narration attributed to Ahmad ibn Hanbal reports:
    Abdullah al-Jadali said: ‘I came to Umm Salama and she said to me: ‘How come Allah’s Messenger is being cursed among you?’. I replied: ‘We seek refuge from Allah or praise Allah or some similar words’. She said: ‘I heard Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) saying ‘whoever curses `Ali Ibn Abi Talib has cursed me’”
    ( http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&BookID=30&PID=25525 )

    [u]I’m Sure, You Got my Point.

  13. murtuza

    salam

    it is possible this articel translet in Gujrati lannguge

  14. Mustapha

    Sunneh, Shia, Salafi, Druuz, Muslims, jews, christians, budists, athiests, blah blah blah blah we are all gods creation…. Look brother im a muslim and ill tell you i am sunneh. The fact the you dedicated an entire website to prove shi3a wrong indicates no good. Do you consider it a deed by doing this? allah, in the quran says in many different ways that he is the only one to judge and he is the one that knows all. The only thing we have back from the days of the prophet (as) are books. But the best way to understand islam is to do so in the heart and if you want to read these books keep it to yourself. The worst thing a human can do is preach what is wrong! who are we to say what is right and what is wrong. what makes it ok for a creation of allah to think that they can take gods job and judge, and think they know all? look no one is telling you to not have your view and your opinion. I respect all people on this planet, because at the end of the day “lakam dinakoom walaya deen” is an ayeh in the quran that indicates that what you are doing is wrong. Maybe you should read the quran first, and then continue your further studies by reading hadiths and other interpretatiions of people. Salam.

    • salam
      no akhi i dedicated this website to layman sunni’s who alwayz trapped by shia’s bcoz of lying. I designed it, so that they can take help from this.
      wasalam

  15. usman@hussain

    aoa
    I read all the comments of all participants, i carefully listen shia and sunni beliefs, by the way i m also sunni believer, it does not mean that i hate ahle bayat. i love true syeds like imam ali and all 12 imams why bec they were real blood of Fatima (ra) and automaticaly Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). So they were not shia they were true muslims.but u must know one thing that all

    All shias are not belong to syed family. these shias are called as shia belivers just as sunni fallow Muhammad(pbuh) way, shia fallow Ali’s way but the way is same just little differences. now if i say that i am such a person who has seen prophit Muhammad (pbum) in my dreams for more than 5 or 6 times (will u belive or not.). what it indicates that i am not so bad person because i have faith on and true love with Muhammad(pbuh) ,Sahabas and true Ahl-e-bait. it should be noted that devil like shetaan can never become Muhammad(pbum) in dreams.

    it means that what i fallow is good and natural for me and for all muslims. do’nt fought on internal affairs of Shabas except yazeed. yes he was a curse in muslims, so he should be well cursed by all the religions of this world.

    If all belivers of Ahl-e-sunnah fallow the way i lead then there wil be no shiaism bec if u like, love and have strong affection with Muhammad(pbum), Imam-e- Ali, Hasan o Hussain(a.s).
    Imam-e- Ali, Hasan o Hussain(a.s) does not have only relation with shitis, they are also related to Ahl-e-sunnah.
    we have complete right to show affection with them but not verbally as shias do just teasing themselves.
    what they do is curse on shitis bec of the fact that thier forfathers (ahl-e-kofi) martyred Ahl-e- bait family in Karbala.

    i thankfull to Allah that our forefathers were not muslims and not belong to Arab what u say Ahle-kofa.
    so two things are very clear that ahle-kofi or yazeedi were belong to Arab. Many shia say that they are syed. Some families are true sayed ,but remaining of 50% belong to shian-e-ali who martyred imam hussain(a.s) and remaining 48% are just thier fallowers. but what they fallow just read curse on sahabas during parayer and nothing else except beating themselves that is aslo a curse on them by Bibi Zainab(a.s) during visit to kofa.
    So arab made great mistake by insulting Muhammad (pbum)’s family bec of the fact that they required the goverment after death of 4th and last Kaliph.

    Now very interesting thing about 4th kaliph Imam-e-Ali (a.s)
    i dont need to show reference from shia books, if u r interested then read shia books.
    A famous QUOL-E-ALI(A.S) according to which he says, “if someone do’nt belive on my 4th Kalaphit then Ali(a.s) will curse on him”

    So my brothers what u listen that if shia say that imam-e-Ali(a.s) had right for 1st khaphit then think and think again.

    Who martyred Hazarat umar(ra),Usman o Ali(a.s) they were irani. there are hundered of irani shia alams on youtube as well as in irani Media says that why we hate umar because of the fact the iran was victored in the kalifh of umar. if u do’nt believe then just watch irani mustand scallars on youtube.
    i cannot quote exact hadis which was published in irani magzine saying that”Imam ali said, there will be two groups in islam after me, one group (shaitis) will become ghumrah because of my itense love, and other (alhe hadis) will also become ghumrah because of my haterness.” if u want to find this quol-e-ali then u need to contact with irani study centres in pakistan.

    actually shiaism is biggest fitna of islam, why answer is very simple if i were shia then the only task of mine was to curse on sahabas. we have to clear our mind in such a sense that if its true that Umer (r.a) attaked on Fatima(ra) then who we are to say that flaaan and flaan was wrong, Allah will make decisions of that matter between muslims on doom’s day. We are only human we cannot predict what was right and wrong. Just leave these matters on Almighty Allah he will justify all these muslim’s internal matters on doom’s day. we have no right to say anything about that matter. Just fallow the path given by Muahammad(pbuh) and thier fallowers and dont induldge in sectism.
    but one thing is claear that imam hussain (A.s) was martyred by lovers of Ali(a.s) means ahl-e-kofi. Most of Ahle kofi was shian-e-ali from motaabir book of shia writers.
    Ahle tashee should not miss the occasion when imam-e- Hussain (a.s) showed many thousands of letters to forces of Laanti Yazeed by speaking thier names on that letters ONE BY ONE and these ahl-e-kofi were kept quite do nothing except showing thier naked swards to imam-e- Hussain (a.s), Allah may curse on Ahl-e-kofi and yazeedis.
    on many occaions imams and Bibi Zainab (a.s) of Ahl-e-bait mentioned this truth that our imam husain(a.s) was martyred by “our shian-e-ali)
    what a crual action done by shiatis of that time.
    just fallow good things and leave bad things
    W.aslaam

  16. scheherzade

    @ bro usman
    SHIIA do not follow any sahabi’s way did they ever do TABARRA.TAQAYYA and do not forget the most important MUTA .shiia will accuse them of these immoral acts they are gustakhe ahlebayt not the lovers.they are haters in the disguise of lovers.I come from shiia family and i know what they believe its so bad that u will puke to hear it. but just pray to Allah for their guidance .I think iranis became shiia and invented this theatrical religion and made umar villain of their play becoz its becoz of Umar r.a. that they had to leave thier persian religion and become muslims.i think they didnt like the whole idea and did this on purpose \.,They are the pharisees of islam according to their own books.
    all of their concepts are so contradicting to eachother and nonetheless illogical.

  17. famia

    hahahahha….this is jokes the way u people fight between each other…. no wonder america is succeeding….trust me what ur saying is not all right..but there is a bit of truth in it.. also blaming a whole race is wrong and also never critize anyone otherwise you’ll be critized the next day….. also i think u guys make me sick.. at least learn basic and then talk….bye bye

  18. hamida

    this is the best web site on the true nature of the rafidi it is a afghan shia name hassan allah yari on youtube who curses the sahaba but your web site has helped me so much to refute his lies can someone please call his tv station he claims no sunni is man enough to debate him his number 1858 3914050

  19. HI Bro i am translating ur and other anti shia blogs into turkish languages:) it’s my blog arazhesenzade85.wordpress.com

  20. fadi

    hmm tell me the names of hazrat ALi sons and daughter

  21. Katan

    Any one who spreads hatred amongst brothers is not my brother . You are who your friends are, who are you going to be like?

  22. CUT THE BS!

    WHERE IS FATIMAHS GRAVE?

    SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED WITH HER FATHER!

    BUT NO ONE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS BURIED & THAT IS PROOF THAT WHAT THE SHIA SAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HER, IS THE TRUTH!

  23. You are a liar. Will you please properly quote your sources. Do not mislead the readers as you misled yourself.

  24. shame on you liar stop decieving yourself

    come here how many facts you r going to reject?
    feel some shame please!

    and donot become a liar like umar abu bakr and ur father cursed mawia

  25. and donot worry about blasphemies come inside my albums you r going to piss inside your pants u r a kid now be a kid donot take mess with your fathers😀

  26. Dear, please also make site to defend Yazid Razi Allah Taalah Na Ho, just as your effort to defend his father Amir muaviya, I used to wonder where eople of these thoughts came from and then someone told me that Besides the followers of Hussain in Karbala. there were also the followers and family members of those who slaughtered the Holy Prophets family. After all it is now their duty to project the enemies of Islam with great admiration, like you have done so elequently. But before you proceed here is something for you to think about, and mind you this is not some creation of mad shia but from saha sittah. The father of Your Amir Muaviya was the one who broke sulah hudaibiya, his mother was instrumental in the death of Amir Hamza, and his illustrous son was Your Yazeed , so keep this in mind when you go about glorifying these persons.

    • This is the intellect and understanding of a Shia grown-up.

      He says Abu Sufian broke treaty of Hudaibiyah and Hind was responsible for death of Hamza.

      This ‘intelligent’ doesn’t know that these happened before Abu Sufian and Hind became Muslim. When someone becomes a Muslim, his/her past sins are forgiven by Allah as mentioned in the Quran but Shias don’t seem to understand the Quran.

      • Isnt it Great , we can commit any sort of crime, no matter how hienous, but just by uttering few words, everything is forgiven and forgotten. Is this the kind of Creator we are trying to project. If you recall among HIS attributes is Adl, But like christians, we can absolve ourselves of sins by confession. Great.
        Yes you may be right that this was before their conversion to Islam (verbal mostly) but would you care to look deeper that what did their offspring do, or will you reply that this was not their fault, it was upto the offsprings. Remember you will be asked of what you did to your children, how you trained them. But then you will never understand all this, after all how can one nullify the great adventures of their forefathers, in fact they would always strive for glorifying their deeds, by stating the obvious lies. But just to end this conversation. Whose grandfather was Prophet Mohhamad PBUH. And who do you recollect when you recite durood (that is if you do) the Alle Mohammad, not Alle sufiyan. And please dont tell me that even durood is wrong as I have heard from like you, then for that plz refer to Quran ” ina laha wa malaiqata hu….”
        Live in your world .

      • Quran:
        “…And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” (6:164)

      • Syed

        “Already the word has come into effect upon most of them, so they do not believe.” (36:7)
        The bedouins say, “We have believed.” Say, “You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], ‘We have submitted,’ for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (49 14)

        You act as though there were only Muslims and non-Muslim- there were hypocrites ans concealers of faith. Those who love power stayed with power- which was now Islam. But, as seen by Khayber, numbers mean nothing and you need a believer like Ali ibn Abi Talib (AS) for victory- whether in Badr, Sifeen, or Karbala

      • Shia act like majority of Muslims in the time of the Prophet (saw) were hypocrites while only a small group were true believers. The fact is the hypocrites were a minority secretive group.

  27. Yasir

    Well, the house of Hazrat Fatima and Hazrat Ali a.s was the one where whenever Jubrael a.s dawned upon, he asked for the permission. It’s the same house, on whom Allah and his angels send salutations at. It’s the same house Rasool Allah saww used to send darood upon whenever He would pass through it. It’s the same house where Aal e Muhammad saww used to live on whom all Muslims send the darood on ( Allahuma Sally ala Muhammad WA ALA AAL E MUHAMMAD ***)

    Moreover Syeda Fatima s.a is the one was ranked as the Queen of all women in this world and the hereafter.
    Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain a.s are the ones who have been ranked as the kings of Youth on jannat.
    Hazrat Ali a.s is the one who is the door to knowledge of Prophet Muhammad saww and Rasoolullah saww at the time of Hajatulwida is said to have quoted that for whosoever I’m the leader, Ali is the leader as well.

    Having said all above, all these most pious personalities used to live in that house. So, how could anyone even think about setting that house on fire.

    Unfortunately, If someone would come to even threat us only about our house being set on fire, we will never tolerate however, if someone gave similar threat to Syeda Fatima sa, we do not even take it as something disrespectful. This act should be condemned and discouraged. She was the one for whom the Prophet saww himself would stand up, and when the prophet does anything it’s coming directly from Allah.

    Then Rasool Allah saww himself is said to have quoted, that whosoever tortures His Ahlebait tortures Him indeed, whosoever is friends with Them is friends with Him indeed, whosoever is enemies with them is enemies with Him indeed.. then how could we segregate that someone who is doing such a disrespectful act or even threat against Syeda Fatima s.a won’t be considered disrespectful against namus e rasool saww.

    Unfortunately, we have brought the companions of the prophet saww equal to Aal e Muhammad saww which is not correct. Companions have their own respect as far as they follow Aal e Muhammad saww and whosoever goes against Them shall be disowned and not followed.

    All above narrations are from the saheh books of ahlesunnat. It’s just that we do not know this due to lack of awareness. We should explore more and revamp our beliefs. We were ourselves ahlesunnat but after getting to know the right facts, we are Alhamdolillah now the followers of RasoolAllah saww and Ahlebait (their shias), and deeply respects those sahaba who followed Ahlebait a.s as advised by Rasool Allah saww.
    As Iqbal says..

    Ishq katil sai bhi maktul sai yarana bhi, ye bata kis sai muhabbat ka sila mangay ga..?

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