Umm kalthoum bint Ali(ra) married to umar bin khattab(ra)


Two shia SAHIH narrations based on their Sanad and the saying of their scholars of Hadith which confirm the marriage of umm Kalthoum bint Ali RAA to the second Caliph, Ameer al Mumineen Umar bin al Khattab RAA.

1st Narration:

حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ ابْنِ سَمَاعَةَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سِنَانٍ وَ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنِ الْمَرْأَةِ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجُهَا أَ تَعْتَدُّ فِي بَيْتِهَا أَوْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ قَالَ بَلْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ إِنَّ عَلِيّاً ( عليه السلام ) لَمَّا تُوُفِّيَ عُمَرُ أَتَى أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ فَانْطَلَقَ بِهَا إِلَى بَيْتِهِ .
يقول المجلسي موثق21/197
يقول البهبودي صحيح3/121)

Hameed bin Ziad from Ibn Sama’ah, from Muhamad bin Ziad from Abdullah bin Sinan and Muawiyah bin Ammar from Abu Abdullah PBUH: I asked him about the woman whose husband is died, Does she spend her iddat Period in her house or wherever she wants? Imam replied: Wherever She wants, For Ali PBUH when Umar had died he came to his house and took umm Kalthoum to his house.

Source: Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 6, pg. 115, hadeeth # 1

Al Allamah Majlisi says: Muwathaq ( meaning “reliable”) 21/197.

Al Allamah Bahbudi Says: Sahih, 3/121.

Al-Majlisi I (Al-Majlisi’s Father) said this hadeeth is Sahih in RawDah Al-Muttaqqoon, vol. 9, pg. 89

Al-Meelaanee said this hadeeth has a Sahih Sanad in Tazawwaj Umm Kulthoom with Umar, pg. 28 & Mahaadiraat fee Al-Itiqaadaat, vol. 2, pg. 696

2nd narration:

– مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى وَ غَيْرُهُ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ سَعِيدٍ عَنِ النَّضْرِ بْنِ سُوَيْدٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ خَالِدٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) عَنِ امْرَأَةٍ تُوُفِّيَ زَوْجُهَا أَيْنَ تَعْتَدُّ فِي بَيْتِ زَوْجِهَا تَعْتَدُّ أَوْ حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ قَالَ بَلَى حَيْثُ شَاءَتْ ثُمَّ قَالَ إِنَّ عَلِيّاً (عليه السلام ) لَمَّا مَاتَ عُمَرُ أَتَى أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ فَأَخَذَ بِيَدِهَا فَانْطَلَقَ بِهَا إِلَى بَيْتِهِ.

يقول المجلسي صحيح21/199
البهبودي صحيح3/122)

Muhammad bin Yahya and others from ahmad bin muhammad bin Isa from Al Hussein Bin Sa’eed from Al Nadir bin Suwayd from hisham bin muslim from suleiman bin Khaled that he said: I asked Abu abdullah PBUH about a woman whose husband had died does she spend her Iddat period in the home of her husband or wherever she pleases? Imam Replied: Yes wherever She wants then he said Because Ali PBUH after umar had died he came and took umm Kalthoum back to his house.

Source: Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 6, pg. 115, hadeeth # 2

Al Allamah al Majlisi says: Sahih 21/199

Al Allamah al Bahbudi says: Sahih 3/122.

Al-Majlisi I (Al-Majlisi’s Father) said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq Kal-Sahih (Reliable like a SaHeeH (hadeeth)) in Rawdah Al-Muttaqqoon, vol. 9, pg. 89

Refer: http://gadir.free.fr/Ar/Ehlibeyt/kutub2/Mirat_ul_Ukul/021.htm

Now Fatwas by three shia alims: one By Sistani, one by hussain fadlullah and another By Al Khoe’i :

By Al khoe’i:

السؤال:

هل صحيح أن الخليفة الثاني قد تزوج من بنت الامام علي عليه السلام ؟
الفتوى:

هكذا ورد في التاريخ والروايات .

Question :
Is it true that the second Khalif married the daughter of Imam Ali aleyhi salam ?

Answer :
It’s reported like that in history and narrations.

After posting this and while checking the links it turns out The THUGS & COWARDLY Scholars of the twelvers had removed these two fatwas from their websites,


by Khoei:
http://www.al-khoei.us/fatawa2/index.php?id=9

NOW Some stupid question about what is the ruling regarding those who hate Muhammad PBUH and his family.

But one of the brother already took a print-screen of that question. See below:😛

Question: Is it Sahih (authentic) that the second caliph (Umar) married the daughter of Imaam Ali?

Answer: Such has been mentioned in history and narrations.

by Sistani:

http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/2/?ohJCgBXYrO1075094893&61&90&3

It was supposed to be question (85) but now it’s about Seeing Allah in Jannah or whatever… It Could Be that they changed the number But I think they removed it completely.

But our brother also printed the screen as well.😛

This is the reason: why we always take a screen print for this type of fatwas.

by fadlullah:

Question: Is it Sahih (authentic) that Sayyidah Umm Kulthoom, peace be upon her, married Umar bin Al-Khattab or are these allegations?

Answer: That is what is mentioned in Sahih narrations.

Now let proceed further:

Al Sayyid Ali al Shahrastani in his book “Tazweej um Kaltoum” he states that of those scholars who admitted to this marriage was for example Al Sayyid al Murtada (436 died) In Al Shafi and Tanzeeh al Anbiya’a (Also look Bihar 42:107 – Al Sawarem al muhriqa 201,202 – Al Sirat al mustaqeem 3:130).

Also he says some of Kulayni’s Narrations in his Kafi admit to this and Al kufi’s (352 died) Istighatha 80 – 82 and in the Mustadraq 14:433,444 – Also al Qadi al nu’uman(363 died) says this in Sharh al Akhbar 2:507 – Al tusi (460 died) also in Tamheed al usool 386,387 7 Al Iqtisad Fima Yata’allaq bil I’itiqad 340,341 – Al Tabrasi in I’ilam al Wara 1:397 & Bihar 42:93 – Also Al Majlisi Admits to this in Mira’at al uqool 20:42 & Bihar 42:109…

Amongst many others he mentioned like Ibn Shahr’Ashoob in Al Manaqib 3:162 – Al Arbeeli in Kashf al ghummah 10 – Al muqada al Ardabelee in Hadiqat al Shia 277 – Al Qadi noor allah al testeri in in Majalis al Mumineen 76,82,85 – Sheikh Abbas al Qummi in Muntaha al Amal 1:186…

He said all of those Admitted to this marriage however most of them said Ali RAA was forced and threatened and thus he gave her (Umm kalthoum) in marriage.

Some shiite scholars however had stupider arguments than others so some claimed that Since Ali RAA was able to talk to Jinn and order them so he told one to turn into the shape of his daughter and he married a jinni to umar RAA, This was by al Qutb al rawandi (573 died) in al Kharaa’ej wal Jara’eh 2:825,827 – Also bihar al Anwar 42:88,106 & mi’ra’at al uqool 21:198.

Also Al Majdee in Ansab al Talebeen 17 – Mustadraq Safinatal bihar 2:121 – Madinat al Ma’ajiz 3:203 – Al Bayada’s Al Sirat al mustaqim 3:130.

other Shii scholars used a different excuse and said “She was not the daughter of Fatima but that of Umm Walad” this is in Mawalid al A’imah 15 – Noor al Absar 103 – Nihayat al irab 20:223.

Some said He did marry her but never entered inside her because he died before she was of age:
Al Nawbakhti said this in Al Bihar 42:91 and Manaqib Aal Abi Talib 3:89.
Al Shaykh Ja’afar al Naqdi went even further to say that there was a force field between them and whenever Umar RAA approached he hit it thus he was content with being her husband Anwar al alawiyah 435.

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7 responses to “Umm kalthoum bint Ali(ra) married to umar bin khattab(ra)

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  2. fatma

    he attack on the house is not only mentioned by Shia Ulema, but even Sunni scholars have admited to it

    Aloosi the famous Mufasir of Ahl Sunna writes:
    أنه لما يجب على غضب عمر وأضرم النار بباب على وأحرقه ودخل فاستقبلته فاطمة وصاحت يا أبتاه ويا رسول الله فرفع عمر السيف وهو فى غمده فوجأ به جنبها المبارك ورفع السوط فضرب به ضرعها فصاحت يا أبتاه فأخذ على بتلابيب عمر وهزه ووجأ أنفه ورقبته

    (my tranlation)
    Umar got angry and set fire on the door of Ali’s (as) House and entered; Fatima (as) came towards Umar and cried: “Ya Ibta! Ya RasulAllah!”, Umar raised the sword while it was in its scabbard and hit Fatima’s (as) back, he raised the whip and hit Fatima’s (as) arm, She cried “Ya Ibta!”, (by seeing this) Ali (as) got up and grabbed Umar and pulled him by force and threw him on the floor, and hit his nose and neck.
    reference:
    الآلوسي البغدادي، العلامة أبي الفضل شهاب الدين السيد محمود (متوفاي1270هـ)، روح المعاني في تفسير القرآن العظيم والسبع المثاني، ج3، ص124، ناشر: دار إحياء التراث العربي – بيروت.

    it has also been recorded by many others such as the most famous sunni historian, al tabari and many others

    When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said:
    “By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr).”

    – History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 11118-1120
    – History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325
    – al-Isti’ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p9975
    – Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1,, p20
    – al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybahh, v1, pp 19-20

    having said this, ibn taymmia, whom wahabis refer to as “shaikh ul Islam” and accept all his words, this man has failed to deny the attack on the house, and instead has brought excuses for it, he says:

    وغاية ما يقال إنه كبس البيت لينظر هل فيه شيء من مال الله الذي يقسمه وأن يعطيه لمستحق

    “He broke into the house to see if there was some thing of Allah’s money to distribute it or give it to those who deserved it”
    Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 8 page 291

    so thats point number 1, that the attack on the house of Lady Fatima (as) is a well stablished and proven fact………

    as for the marriage between umme kulthum and umar, first of all, umar had multiple wives called “Umme Kulthum”, secondly the Umme Kulthum whom married umar was not Ume Kulthum (as), the Daughter of Lady Fatima (as), it was Umme Kulthum the duaghter of abu bakr!

    which follower of umar is willing to follow his sunna and marry the duaghter of his son in law’s son in low?!

    and why Umme Kulthum (as)? why not Lady Zainab (as) who was older, Baliq and was not married?!

    plus, you should not forget that based on “sahih” Muslim, Imam Ali (as) thought of umar to be a liar and sinful and etc etc person, so why would He (as) give his daughter to such person?

    umar said:
    When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.
    Muslim Book 019, Number 4349

    and having said all this, how can you post a question saying that even if we accept the attack then by this marriage, either Imam Ali (as) didnt care about Lady Fatima (as) (AstaghfureAllah) or he was affired (AstaghfureAllah), when in the Holy Quran we see that Prophet Lut (PBUH) was willing to give his duaghters in marriage to the kuffar……

    so do you dare say the same thing about Prophet Lut (PBUH)?

    do you dare say He (PBUH) didnt care about Allah SWT? (AstaghfureAllah)

    do you dare say He (PBUH) was affried of kuffar? (AstaghfureAllah)
    Source(s):
    truth speaks for itself……..

  3. nizar

    hey why do u guys hate the shai ,they are on the right path ,u come up with stupid traditions in suport of abuaker and umar may the get what they desrve
    do u not know that these two were cursed by the prophats only biological daughter?how an the cursed be fatithfull ,u make me laugh ,you wahabis ati u call ur self muslim ahahahahahahahahah wot a joke!!

  4. I am very happy that umar and abu bakr r.a. got the place that they deserve i.e. right next to the prophet s.a.w closest to him.

  5. naeem

    Just imagine, how Muhammad (RA), will feel about our discussion.

    Especially in the situation when we have so many threats from the Anti Muslims, we should forget about our disagreements and strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood, to keep the Allah’s mission in full force.

    Just for the sake of Islam, Muhammad and your future generations, please see only what unites you and not what divides you.

  6. Shani

    Fatma all the points you have stated below have been refuted many times.

    Also I see you have closed your eyes when it came to the screen shots regarding fatwas from your top scholars.

    Anyway you asked “why would Ali give his daughter to the one who killed his wife?”
    Well you’re asking the wrong question the real question is why didn’t he do anything while all this was happening??

    If you say for the sake of unity then two points I would like to make.

    1. Why would Ali want to keep unity with apostates??? Don’t forget Shia believe all but three or seven become apostates. So unity with who?? Better still for what??

    2. All of a sudden in nahj ul balagah letter 58 mawiyah and co become Muslims again. (according Ali in nahj ul balagah letter 58, anyway that’s a different matter.

    Why did Ali fight mawiyah could he not for the sake of “unity” put down his sword, but lo and behold you fight the answer on your own doorstep nahj ul balagah letter 6 to mawiyah. Read that letter and you will see how Ali has justified Abu bakr ridda wars.

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