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Imami Shia say: Prophet Adam (as) did not testify to Wilayah of 12 Imams

Sura TaaHaa Ayah 115 “And certainly We took a covenant from Adam before, but he forgot; and We did not find in him any firm resolve.”

Imam Muhammad Baqir (asws) said, “And certainly We gave a covenant to Adam before, but he forgot” refers to the taking of an oath from Adam (as) regarding Muhammad (saw) and the Imams (asws) after Him but Adam (as) was negligent in His oath. Adam (as) did not have the “firm resolve” to recognize the true status of Muhammad (saw) and the Imams (asws). The reason behind giving the title of Olil Azm (owners of the “firm resolve”) to the five Olil Azm messengers is that Allah took an oath from Them regarding Muhammad (saw), His Successors and al Mahdi (atfs). They, the five Olil Azm, testified to this oath with “a firm resolve” they accepted the oath as the truth.”

(Al Kafi vol 1 pg 416, Tafseer Qummi Second Edition pg 65)

Abu Hamza narrates Imam Muhammad Baqir (asws) said, “Allah took a covenant from the prophets and said, “Am I not your Lord?”

The prophets replied, “Yes. You are”.

Allah asked, “Is Muhammad (saw) not My Messenger? Is Ali (asws) not Ameerul Momineen (asws)? Are His Successors not the authorities appointed by Me? Are They not the keepers of My knowledge? Is al Mahdi (atfs) not the one with whom I will support My religion? Is He not the one through whom I will spread My government? Is he not the one through whom I will avenge My enemies? Is he not the one through whom the people will worship Me, willingly or unwillingly?”

The prophets replied, “We believe in this covenant and we testify to this, O’our Lord”.

Imam Muhammad Baqir (asws) then said, “Adam (as) did not deny this covenant but He did not testify to it. Therefore the religion was announced through the five messengers who testified in al Mahdi (atfs). However Adam (as) did not have the “firm resolve” to testify. This is the meaning of this ayah.”

(Tafseer al Burhan vol 5 pg 191, Taweel al Ayat al Dhahira pg 313)

Sura Furqaan Ayah 26 “The kingdom on that day shall rightly belong to the Beneficent Allah, and a hard day shall it be for the unbelievers.”

Ali bin Asbaat narrates from some of Our companions, “The kingdom” belongs to Allah on “that day” and on every other day but the above ayah refers to the rising of al Mahdi (atfs) when everyone will worship Allah.”

(Taweel al Ayat al Dhahira pg 369)

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Shia Tafsir: Previous nations were destroyed for rejecting Wilayah of Ali

According to the Quran previous nations were destroyed because of rejecting Allah, His signs, His Message and the Prophets (as) who were sent to them. For example, Allah says in Surah Fusilat:

But if they turn away, then say, “I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] ‘Aad and Thamud.

[That occurred] when the messengers had come to them before them and after them, [saying], “Worship not except Allah.” They said, “If our Lord had willed, He would have sent down the angels, so indeed we, in that with which you have been sent, are disbelievers.” (Quran 41:13-14)

However, according to Shia Tafsir the previous nations were destroyed because of rejecting Wilayah of Ali.

We read in Shia tafsir Miratul Anwar:

ولا يخفي ان هلاك الامم كان بسبب ترك  الولاية

It should be clear that the (previous) nations) were destroyed because of rejecting Wilayah [of Ali]

Tafsir Miratul Anwar, p. 188 (Scan in the end)

We read in the same book on page 161:

من سائر الآيات المشتملة على الصيحة مع ان الهلاك بالصيحة ايضا في الامم السالفة كان لعدم قبول الولاية

All the verses in which the ‘blast’ and in which the destruction of the previous nations with the ‘blast’ is mentioned, that was due to not accepting wilayah.

Some of such verses are:

[011:067]  The (mighty) Blast overtook the wrong-doers, and they lay prostrate in their homes before the morning,-

[011:094]  When Our decree issued, We saved Shu’aib and those who believed with him, by (special) mercy from Ourselves: But the (mighty) blast did seize the wrong- doers, and they lay prostrate in their homes by the morning,-

[015:073]  But the (mighty) Blast overtook them before morning,

[023:041]  Then the Blast overtook them with justice, and We made them as rubbish of dead leaves (floating on the stream of Time)! So away with the people who do wrong!


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*new* Book on Abdullah ibn Saba – First of its kind in English

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

Abdullah ibn Saba


New book and first of its kind in English and also a refutation of Shia arguments who try to deny his existence. Published by http://www.Twelvershia.net

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Saqīfah incident actually disproves Shia concept of Imamate

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

Saqīfa incident actually disproves Shia concept of Imamate/Wilayah of Ali

Shias believe the Prophet (S) declared Caliph Ali as the first Imam in Ghadeer. Shias say Abu Bakr and Umar plotted in Saqifa against Ali, and hence snatched the Caliphate from him. This is how they think about this incident, but an unbiased look at this incident shows that it was impossible. First of all, the people of Madinah, whom Allah called ‘Ansar’ which means ‘the Helpers’ had gathered at Saqifah. Their gathering in Saqifah was for the purpose of selecting a Caliph from amongst themselves. Hence, if anyone plotted against Ali, it was actually by these people whom Allah declared ‘Ansar’. Abu Bakr and Umar only came to Saqifah to stop them. If they had any intention to select a Caliph at Saqifah, which would have been the last thing in their mind when they heard the gathering of Ansar at Saqifah, they would have gone to Saqifah with a large number of Muhajireen i.e ‘The Immigrants’. They only intended to stop the Ansar from selecting a Caliph, because they didn’t have the right since the Prophet (S) had clearly declared that the Caliph would be from the ‘Quraish’. But aside from that, the gathering of Ansar at Saqifah shows that those people didn’t consider the event of Ghadeer to be the appointment of Ali as the first Caliph. And if Ghadeer event was the evidence of the appointment of Ali as the first Caliph, than the Ansar were the first people to go against Ali. 

When Abu Bakr and Umar reached Saqifah with Abu Ubaidah, and when they looked at the situation, they tried to stop Ansar from selecting a Caliph from amongst them. They talked to them, and persuaded many people from Ansar. How would anyone from Ansar agree with them, if they didn’t think Abu Bakr and Umar were telling the truth? How can Abu Bakr, Umar and Abu Ubaidah force anyone from Ansar to accept their stance when they were only three people in a large gathering of Ansar? And as the Shias preach day and night, Abu Bakr and Umar didn’t even have the superficial powers which would have forced the Ansar to agree with them! The only thing with which they convinced the Ansar was Quran and Sunnah. But still, there were few Ansari who wanted to choose a Caliph from amongst them. If they had succeeded, and if Abu Bakr and Umar hadn’t stopped them, it would have been Ansar who would have made the first error of choosing a wrong person as Caliph as both Sunnis and Shias agree that the Caliph is from the Quraish. But Abu Bakr and Umar stopped them from committing this error, and not by force, but with discussion and wisdom.

When some of the Ansari still wanted to choose a person from amongst them as Caliph, Umar knew that they can only be stopped from selecting a man from their own as Caliph, by selecting an eligible person from Quraish as the Caliph. And he was Abu Bakr, so Umar told him to move his hand forth, and he rendered allegiance to Abu Bakr. The Ansar who were convinced as a result of the discussion that the Caliph has to be from the Quraish started rendering allegiance to him, so much so that all of them rendered allegiance to him. And Umar saved the Muslims from the division on that day with his wisdom.

Hence this event is not actually a crime of Abu Bakr and Umar, but it is the event which shows how they protected the Muslims from division on the very first day after the death of the Prophet (S). If Ansar had succeeded in choosing a caliph from amongst them, the unity of Muslims would have been at stake. Because the Muhajireen wouldn’t render allegiance to an Ansari Caliph, since neither the Ansar could force the Muhajireen nor they could convince the Muhajireen to accept an Ansari as a Caliph in the light of Quran and Sunnah. The Muslims would have been fighting with one another, rather than against the rebels and the kuffar. And Ali would still not have got the position of the Caliph, because just like Ansar didn’t think the event of Ghadeer as the appointment of Ali as Caliph, so was the case with the Muhajireen, because the Muhajireen considered Abu Bakr to be the eligible person for Caliphate.

Ali wasn’t considered as ‘the divinely appointed first Caliph’ by Ansar as well as Muhajireen. And he wouldn’t have become even the fourth caliph of the Muslims if Abu Bakr and Umar hadn’t intervened at Saqifah, because that would have lead to the division of Muslims and it would have been the biggest catastrophe, since the centre of Islam would have become the battleground between the two factions of Muslims, and before they could have settled their dispute, the rebels and the Kuffar would have overpowered them. We need to be thankful for the role of Abu Bakr and Umar in Saqifah, rather than condemning them.

Wa lillahil hamd ! 


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Did the Imam Ali forget the Imamah in his last Will?

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

Today I show you something a bit shocking from the books of the Twelvers.

In volume 7 of al-Kafi, page 49, is written the last Will of `Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) according to the Shia faith. This narration has been graded “SAHIH” by al-Majlisi in Mir’at al-`Uqoul 23/83.

The narration contains two Wills by `Ali (ra), one is supposed to be private for his family members only, and the other is public for all the Muslims.  What is amazing in these two Wills is that they both do not contain any words with regards to Imamah, as if it doesn’t exist. Although this is the last Will and the Imam is supposed to mention all of the most important matters that concern him and the nation and his family… yet in this big narration there is absolutely no mention of Imamah or  any of the beliefs of the Rafidhah such as `Ismah and Raj`ah!

So let’s see what interested Imam `Ali (ra) the most before his death in the Shia books:

(I will not translate the whole thing as it’s pretty big, just some parts and whatever is interesting)

أبو على الاشعري ، عن محمد بن عبد الجبار ، ومحمد بن اسماعيل ، عن الفضل بن شاذان ، عن صفوان بن يحيى ، عن عبد الرحمن بن الحجاج قال : بعث الي أبو الحسن موسى عليه السلام بوصية أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وهى : بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم هذا ما أوصى به وقضى به في ماله عبد الله علي ابتغاء وجه الله ليولجنى به الجنة ويصرفني به عن النار ويصرف النار عنى يوم تبيض وجوه وتسود وجوه أن ما كان لى من مال بينبع يعرف لى فيها وما حولها صدقة ورقيقها غير أن رباحا وأبا نيزر وجبيرا عتقاء ليس لاحد عليهم سبيل فهم موالى يعملون في المال خمس حجج وفيه نفقتهم ورزقهم وارزاق أهاليهم ، ومع ذلك ما كان لى بوادي القرى كله من مال لبنى فاطمة ورقيقها صدقة وما كان لى بديمة وأهلها صدقة غير أن زريقا له مثل ما كتبت لاصحابه ، وما كان لى باذينة وأهلها صدقة والفقيرين كما قد علمتم صدقة في سبيل الله وان الذى كتبت من أموالي هذه صدقة واجبة بتلة حيا أنا أو ميتا ينفق في كل نفقة يبتغى بها وجه الله في سبيل الله ووجهه وذوى الرحم من بنى هاشم وبنى المطلب والقريب والبعيد ، فانه يقوم على ذلك الحسن بن على يأكل منه بالمعروف وينفقه حيث يراه الله عز وجل في حل محلل لا حرج عليه فيه ، فان أراد أن يبيع نصيبا من المال فيقضى به الدين فليفعل إن شاء ولا حرج عليه فيه ، وإن شاء جعله سرى الملك وإن ولد على ومواليهم واموالهم إلى الحسن بن على وإن كانت دار الحسن بن على غير دار الصدقة فبدا له أن يبيعها فليبع إن شاء لا حرج عليه فيه وإن باع فانه يقسم ثمنها ثلاثة أثلاث فيجعل ثلثا في سبيل الله وثلثا في بنى هاشم وبنى المطلب ويجعل الثلث في آل أبى طالب ، وإنه يضعه فيهم حيث يراه الله ، وإن حدث بحسن حدث وحسين حى فانه إلى الحسين بن على وإن حسينا يفعل فيه مثل الذى أمرت به حسنا له مثل الذى كتبت للحسن وعليه مثل الذى على الحسن ، وإن لبنى [ ابني ] فاطمة من صدقة على مثل الذى لبنى علي وانى انما جعلت الذى جعلت لابني فاطمة ابتغاء وجه الله عز وجل وتكريم حرمة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وتعظيمهما وتشريفهما ورضاهما وإن حدث بحسن وحسين حدث فإن الآخر منهما ينظر في بنى علي ، فان وجد فيهم من يرضى بهداه واسلامه وأمانته فانه يجعله إليه إن شاء ، وإن لم ير فيهم بعض الذى يريده فانه يجعله إلى رجل من آل أبى طالب يرضى به ، فان وجد آل أبى طالب قد ذهب كبراؤهم وذووا آرائهم فانه يجعله إلى رجل يرضاه من بنى هاشم وأنه يشترط على الذى يجعله إليه أن يترك المال على اصوله وينفق ثمره حيث أمرته به من سبيل الله ووجهه وذوى الرحم من بنى هاشم وبنى المطلب والقريب والبعيد لا يباع منه شئ ولا يوهب ولا يورث وإن مال محمد بن علي على ناحيته وهو إلى ابني فاطمة وأن رقيقي الذين في صحيفة صغيرة التى كتبت لى عتقاء . هذا ما قضى به على بن أبى طالب في أمواله هذه الغد من يوم قدم مسكن ابتغاء وجه الله والدار الآخرة والله المستعان على كل حال ولا يحل لامرئ مسلم يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر أن يقول في شئ قضيته من مالى ولا يخالف فيه أمري من قريب أو بعيد . أما بعد فان ولائدي اللائى أطوف عليهن السبعة عشر منهن امهات اولاد معهن أولادهن ومنهن حبالى ومنهن من لا ولد له فقضاى فيهن إن حدث بى حدث أنه من كان منهن ليس لها ولد وليست بحبلى فهى عتيق لوجه الله عز وجل ليس لاحد عليهن سبيل ومن كان منهن لها ولد أو حبلى فتمسك على ولدها وهى من حظه فان مات ولدها وهى حية فهى عتيق ليس لاحد عليها سبيل ، هذا ما قضى به علي في ماله الغد من يوم قدم مسكن شهد أبو سمر بن برهة وصعصعة بن صوحان ويزيد بن قيس وهياج بن أبى هياج وكتب على بن أبى طالب بيده لعشر خلون من جمادى الاولى سنة سبع وثلاثين .

[Abu `Ali al-Ash`ari, from Muhammad bin `Abdul-Jabbar and Muhammad bin Isma`eel, from al-Fadl bin Shadhan, from Safwan bin Yahya, from `Abdul-Rahman bin al-Hajjaj that he said: abu al-Hassan Musa (as) sent me the Will of Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as), and it is:
In the name of ALlah most gracious, most merciful.
This is the Will of the slave of Allah `Ali, and what he decided regarding his money, to seek the face of Allah, so that he may allow me into Jannah and save me from the fire, on a day where faces are whitened while others are darkened.
That whatever I have of money in (the land of) Yanbu`, and what is around it are all Sadaqah, and the slaves in it except Rabah and abu Nayzara and Jubayr are all free, no one has anything to do with them (…) Whatever I have in the valley of al-Qura is all money for the children of Fatima and her slaves are a Sadaqah. And whatever I had in (the land of) Daymah and its people are all Sadaqah (…) It is payed to seek the pleasure of Allah and in his cause, and to those who are close in kin from bani Hashim and bani al-Muttalib, and the near and the far. The one responsible for all this is al-Hassan bin `Ali, he eats from it as he needs, and spends from it where Allah sees fit (…) but if something should happen to al-Hassan while Hussayn is alive, then it goes to Hussayn bin `Ali, and he does with it exactly as I ordered al-Hassan (…) I only gave what I gave to the children of Fatima to seek the pleasure of Allah, and to honor the sanctity of the Prophet (SAWS) and please them both. If something should happen to al-Hassan and al-Hussayn, then the last of them should search among the children of `Ali, so if he finds among them one whom he is pleased with his trust and piety and Islam, then he should offer it to him insha-Allah, but if he doesn’t find among them what pleases him, then he should offer it to a man from the family of abi Talib if he is pleased with him, but if he finds that the family of bani Talib lost all their remarkable men of opinion, then he should grant it to a man whom pleases him from bani Hashim, and places a condition on the man he chooses that (…) and the money of Muhammad bin `Ali is like it, it shall be to the children of Fatima, and all my slaves whose names I’ve written in a small paper are free, (…) In addition, the slave girls whom I sleep with, all seventeen of them, from them are mothers of children who are in the company of their children, and from them are those with no children, so I rule that if something should happen to me and they are not mothers nor are pregnant then they should be set free for the face of Allah (…) `Ali bin abi Talib wrote with his hand, on the tenth of the month of Jamad-ul-Awwal, year 37.]

وكانت الوصية الاخرى ( مع الاولى ) : بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم هذا ما أوصى به على بن أبى طالب أوصى أنه يشهد أن لا اله الا الله وحده لا شريك له وأن محمدا عبده و رسوله أرسله بالهدى ودين الحق ليظهره على الدين كله ولو كره المشركون ، صلى الله عليه وآله ثم إن صلاتي ونسكى ومحياى ومماتي لله رب العالمين لا شريك له وبذلك أمرت وأنا من المسلمين . ثم إنى اوصيك يا حسن وجميع أهل بيتى وولدى ومن بلغه كتابي بتقوى الله ربكم ولا تموتن الا وانتم مسلمون ، واعتصموا بحبل الله جميعا ولا تفرقوا فإنى سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول : ” صلاح ذات البين أفضل من عامة الصلاة والصيام ” و ” أن المبيرة الحالقة للدين فساد ذات البين ” ولا قوة الا بالله العلى العظيم ، انظروا ذوى أرحامكم فصلوهم يهون الله عليكم الحساب . الله الله في الايتام فلا تغبوا أفواههم ولا يضيعوا بحضرتكم فقد سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول : ” من عال يتيما حتى يستغني أوجب الله عز وجل له بذلك الجنة كما أوجب لآكل مال اليتيم النار ” . الله الله في القرآن فلا يسبقكم إلى العمل به أحد غيركم . الله الله في جيرانكم فإن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله أوصى بهم ومازال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يوصي بهم حتى ظننا أنه سيورثهم . الله الله في بيت ربكم فلا يخلو منكم ما بقيتم فانه إن ترك لم تناظروا وأدنى ما يرجع به من أمه أن يغفر له ما سلف . الله الله في الصلاة فإنها خير العمل ، إنها عمود دينكم . الله الله في الزكاة فانها تطفئ غضب ربكم . الله الله في شهر رمضان فإن صيامه جنة من النار . الله الله في الفقراء والمساكين فشار كوهم في معايشكم . الله الله في الجهاد بأموالكم وأنفسكم وألسنتكم فإنما يجاهد رجلان إمام هدى أو مطيع له مقتد بهداه . الله الله في ذرية نبيكم فلا يظلمن بحضرتكم وبين ظهرانيـكم وأنتم تقدرون على الدفع عنهم . الله الله في أصحاب نبيكم الذين لم يحدثوا حدثا ولم يؤووا محدثا فإن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله أوصى بهم ولعن المحدث منهم ومن غيرهم والمؤوي للمحدث . الله الله في النساء وفيما ملكت أيمانكم فإن آخر ما تكلم به نبيكم عليه السلام أن قال : أوصيكم بالضعيفين : النساء وما ملكت أيمانكم . الصلاة الصلاة الصلاة ، لا تخافوا في الله لومة لائم ، يكفكم الله من آذاكم وبغى عليكم قولوا للناس حسنا كما أمركم الله عزوجل ، ولا تتركوا الامر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر فيولي الله أمركم شراركم ثم تدعون فلا يستجاب لكم عليهم ، وعليكم يا بني بالتواصل والتباذل والتبار وإياكم والتقاطع والتدابر والتفرق ، وتعانوا على البر والتقوى ولا تعاونوا على الاثم والعدوان واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب ، حفظكم الله من أهل بيت وحفظ فيكم نبيكم ، أستودعكم الله وأقرأ عليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته . ثم لم يزل يقول : ” لا اله إلا الله ” ، لا إله إلا الله ” حتى قبض صلوات الله عليه و رحمته في ثلاث ليال من العشر الاواخر ليلة ثلاث وعشرين من شهر رمضان ليلة الجمعة سنة أربعين من الهجرة وكان ضرب ليلة إحدى وعشرين من شهر رمضان .

[And the second Will  was attached to the first Will: In the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful.
This is what `Ali ibn abi Talib willed, that there is no God but Allah with no partners and that Muhammad is his slave and messenger, he sent him with the guidance and the religion of light (…) I advise you O Hassan and the rest of my household and children and whoever receives my book, to fear Allah, and do not die unless you are Muslims, and hold tight to the rope of Allah together and do not divide among yourselves, as I heard the messenger of Allah (SAWS) say “Reconciling between one another is better than the general prayers and fasting” (…) Allah, Allah, when it comes to the orphans (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to the Qur’an, do not let anyone beat you to working with its rulings (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to your neighbors, as the Prophet (SAWS) kept reminding us of them until we though that he will give them inheritance (…) Allah, ALlah with regards to the house  of Allah, do not abandon it (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to your prayer, as it is the best of actions (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to Zakat, as it extinguishes the anger of Allah (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to fasting Ramadan (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to the poor and needy, share your wealth with them (…) Allah, Allah, with regards to Jihad with your money and selves and tongues, only two men make Jihad, a guided leader and an obedient man who follows his guidance. Allah, Allah, with regards to the progeny of your Prophet (SAWS), do not allow them to get oppressed when you can defend them. Allah, Allah, with regards to the companions of your Prophet (SAWS) who did not turn back from the religion or harbor anyone who did, as the prophet (SAWS) reminded us of their right and he also cursed the ones who turn back whether from among them or among others. Allah, Allah, with regards to the two weaklings, women and those whom your right hand posses. Prayer, Prayer, Prayer! and do not fear anyone except Allah and he shall protect you from anyone who harms you (…) do not leave good advice and forbidding from evil otherwise Allah will make your rulers the worst of you, then you make Du`a and Allah will not answer (…)]

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In other words, `Ali (ra) talked about Salat and Zakat and Hajj and Jihad and everything except Imamah, and he completely ignored it as if it didn’t exist, and stuck to the essence of Islam as if this were a Sunni Hadith not a corrupt Shia one!
What is worse is that the text of the narration clearly shows that `Ali (ra) has no idea who the twelve Imams are, nor did he know if al-Hassan (ra) or al-Hussayn (ra) would die first, nor who would be the Imam after them and this is clear!

Although in the narrations of the Shia from al-Kafi vol.2 pg.18 in the authentic narration of `Uthman bin Fudayl that the Imam said, that Wilayah and Imamah is the most important matter and it was emphasized more than all other matters:

Abu Ja`far, (as), has said: “Islam is based on five principles. They are: Prayer, al-Zakat(charity) fasting, Hajj and al-Wilayah. The call to none of the other principles has been so emphatic as it has been to al-Wilayah. People accepted the other four but they left aside this[al-Wilayah].”

Yet we do not see it emphasized but ignored in both Wills of `Ali (ra) and he says things which raise great doubt against Imamah!

Grading of narrators:

رواه الكليني ثقة الرافضة المتوفى سنة 329 هـ
عن أبو علي الأشعري أحمد بن ادريس المتوفى سنة 306 هـخلاصة الاقوال- العلامة الحلي ص 65 
[ ] 14 – احمد بن ادريس ، أبو علي الاشعري القمي ، كان ثقة في اصحابنا ، فقيها كثير الحديث صحيح الرواية ، مات بالقرعاء في طريق مكة على طريق الكوفة سنة ست وثلاثمائة رحمه الله ، اعتمد على روايته . عن محمد بن عبد الجبار من اصحاب الامام الجواد والهادي والعسكري 
وعاش بعد الامام العسكري حيث أورده الشيخ الطوسي فيمن روى عن غير الائمة ايضا أي أنه توفى بعد سنة 260 هـ وهي سنة وفاة الامام الأخير نقد الرجال – التفرشي ج 4 ص 238 
4812 / 456 – محمد بن عبد الجبار : وهو ابن أبي الصهبان ، قمي ، ثقة ، من أصحاب الجواد والهادي والعسكري عليهم السلام ، رجال الشيخ . عن الفضل بن شاذان المتوفى سنة 260 هـ
رجال النجاشي- النجاشي ص 306 
[ 840 ] الفضل بن شاذان بن الخليل أبو محمد الازدي النيشابوري ( النيسابوري ) كان أبوه من أصحاب يونس ، و روى عن أبي جعفر الثاني ، وقيل [ عن ] الرضا أيضا عليهما السلام وكان ثقة ، أحد أصحابنا الفقهاء والمتكلمين . وله جلالة في هذه الطائفة ، وهو في قدره أشهر من أن نصفه . الايضاح- الفضل بن شاذان الأزدي ص 49 
الراوى عن الامامين أبى الحسن على بن موسى وأبى جعفر الثاني عليهما السلام ، زبدة الرواة ونخبة الهداة وقدوة الجلاء المتكلمين واسوة الفقهاء المتقدمين ، الشيخ العليم الجليل الفضل بن شاذان بن الخليل طاب 1 الله ثراه ، قد وصل بلقاء ربه في سنة 260 عن صفوان بن يحيى المتوفى سنة 210
رجال النجاشي- النجاشي ص 197 
صفوان بن يحيى أبو محمد البجلي بياع السابري ، كوفي ، ثقة ثقة ، عين . روى أبوه عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام ، وروى هو عن الرضا عليه السلام ، وكانت له عنده منزلة شريفة . ذكره الكشي في رجال أبي الحسن موسى عليه السلام ، وقد توكل للرضا و أبي جعفر عليهما السلام ، وسلم مذهبه من الوقف ، وكانت له منزلة من الزهد والعبادة 

وقال في صفحة 198
مات صفوان بن يحيى رحمه الله سنة عشر ومائتين . 

عن عبد الرحمن بن الحجاج الذي ثبتت معاصرته للامام أبي الحسن موسى 
رجال النجاشي- النجاشي ص 237 
[ 630 ] عبد الرحمن بن الحجاج . البجلي مولاهم ، كوفي ، بياع السابري ، سكن بغداد ، ورمى بالكيسانية ، روى عن أبي عبد الله وأبي الحسن عليهما السلام ، وبقى بعد أبي الحسن عليه السلام ورجع إلى الحق ولقى الرضا عليه السلام ، وكان ثقة ثقة ، ثبتا ، وجها ،


Some Sunni sources mentioning the Will of `Ali (ra):

Also as an added benefit, this Will is extremely similar to the Will of `Ali (ra) that is recorded in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah, and the land of Yanbu` which he offered to give as a Sadaqah above was given to `Ali (ra) by `Umar (ra) as a gift, and is discussed here:
The land of Yanbu` and Will of `Ali (ra)

From Musannaf `Abdul-Razzaq, in the section about the Will of `Ali (ra):

وصية علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه

حدثنا أبو محمد عبيد بن محمد الكشوري قال : أخبرنا محمد بن يوسف الحذافي قال : أخبرنا عبد الرزاق قال : [ ص: 375 ] أخبرنا معمر ، عن أيوب ، أنه أخذ هذا الكتاب من عمرو بن دينار ، هذا ما أقر به وقضى في ماله علي بن أبي طالب : ” تَصَدَّقَ بِيَنْبُعَ ابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاةِ اللَّهِ لِيُولِجَنِي الْجَنَّةَ , وَيَصْرِفَ النَّارَ عَنِّي , وَيَصْرِفَنِي عَنِ النَّارِ , فَهِيَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَوَجْهِهِ , يُنْفَقُ فِي كُلِّ نَفَقَةٍ مِنْ سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَوَجْهِهِ , فِي الْحَرْبِ وَالسِّلْمِ , وَالْخَيْرِ وَذَوِي الرَّحِمِ , وَالْقَرِيبِ وَالْبَعِيدِ , لا يُبَاعُ , وَلا يُوهَبُ , وَلا يُورَّثُ , كُلُّ مَالٍ فِي يَنْبُعَ , غَيْرَ أَنَّ رَبَاحًا وَأَبَا نِيزَرٍ وَجُبَيْرًا إِنْ حَدَثَ بِي حَدَثٌ لَيْسَ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلٌ , وَهُمْ مُحَرَّرُونَ مَوَالٍ يَعْمَلُونَ فِي الْمَالِ خَمْسَ حِجَجٍ , وَفِيهِ نَفَقَاتُهُمْ وَرِزْقُهُمْ , وَرِزْقُ أَهْلِيهِمْ , فَذَلِكَ الَّذِي أَقْضِي فِيمَا كَانَ لِي فِي يَنْبُعَ جَانِبِهِ حَيًّا أَنَا أَوْ مَيِّتًا , وَمَعَهَا مَا كَانَ لِي بِوَادِي أُمِّ الْقُرَى مِنْ مَالٍ وَرَقِيقٍ حَيًّا أَنَا أَوْ مَيِّتًا , وَمَعَ ذَلِكَ الأُذَيْنَةُ وَأَهْلُهَا حَيًّا أَنَا أَوْ مَيِّتًا , وَمَعَ ذَلِكَ رَعْدٌ وَأَهْلُهَا , غَيْرَ أَنَّ زُرَيْقًا مِثْلُ مَا كَتَبْتُ لأَبِي نِيزَرٍ وَرَبَاحٍ وَجُبَيْرٍ ، وَأَنَّ يَنْبُعَ وَمَا فِي وَادِي الْقُرَى وَالأُذَيْنَةِ وَرَعْدٌ يُنْفَقُ فِي كُلِّ نَفَقَةٍ ابْتِغَاءً بِذَلِكَ وَجْهَ اللَّهِ فِي سَبِيلِهِ يَوْمَ تَسْوَدُّ وُجُوهٌ وَتَبْيَضُّ وُجُوهٌ , لا يُبَعْنَ , وَلا يُوهَبْنَ , وَلا يُورَّثْنَ إِلا إِلَى اللَّهِ , هُوَ يَتَقَبَّلَهُنَّ وَهُو يَرِثُهُنَّ , فَذَلِكَ قَضِيَّةٌ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَ اللَّهِ الغدَ مِنْ يَوْمِ قَدِمْتُ مَسْكَنَ حَيًّا أَنَا أَوْ مَيِّتًا , فَهَذَا مَا قَضَى عَلِيٌّ فِي مَالِهِ وَاجِبَةً بَتْلَةً , ثُمَّ يَقُومُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ بَنُو عَلِيٍّ بِأَمَانَةٍ وَإِصْلاحٍ , كَإِصْلاحِهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ , يُزْرَعُ وَيُصْلَحُ كَإِصْلاحِهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ , وَلا يُبَاعُ مِنْ أَوْلادِ عَلِيٍّ مِنْ هَذِهِ الْقُرَى الأَرْبَعِ وَدِيَّةٌ وَاحِدَةٌ , حَتَّى يَسُدَّ أَرْضَهَا غِرَاسُهَا , قَائِمَةً عِمَارَتُهَا لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَوَّلِهِمْ وَآخِرِهِمْ , فَمَنْ وَلِيَهَا مِنَ النَّاسِ فَأُذَكِّرُ اللَّهَ إِلا جَهَدَ وَنَصَحَ , وَحَفِظَ أَمَانَتَهُ , هَذَا كِتَابُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ بِيَدِهِ إِذْ قَدِمَ مَسْكَنَ , وَقَدْ أَوْصَيْتُ . . . . الْفَقِيرَيْنِ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَاجِبَةً بَتْلَةً , وَمَالُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَلَى نَاحِيَتِهِ يُنْفَقُ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَوَجْهِهِ , وَذِي الرَّحِمِ , وَالْفُقَرَاءِ , وَالْمَسَاكِينِ , وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ , يَأْكُلُ مِنْهُ عُمَّالُهُ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ غَيْرَ الْمُنْكَرِ بِأَمَانَةٍ وَإِصْلاحٍ , كَإِصْلاحِهِ مَالَهُ , يَزْرَعُ وَيَنْصَحُ وَيَجْتَهِدُ , هَذَا مَا قَضَى عَلِيُّ بْنُ أَبِي طَالِبٍ فِي هَذِهِ الأَمْوَالِ الَّتِي كَتَبَ فِي هَذِهِ الصَّحِيفَةِ , وَاللَّهُ الْمُسْتَعَانُ عَلَى كُلِّ حَالٍ , أَمَّا بَعْدُ , فَإِنَّ وَلائِدِي اللاتِي أَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِنَّ التِّسْعَ عَشْرَةَ , مِنْهُنَّ أُمَّهَاتُ أَوْلادٍ , وَأَوْلادُهُنَّ أَحْيَاءٌ مَعَهُنَّ , وَمِنْهُنَّ حَبَالَى , وَمِنْهُنَّ مِنْ لا وَلَدَ لَهَا , فَقَضَيْتُ إِنْ حَدَثَ بِي حَدَثٌ فِي هَذَا الْغَزْوِ , أَنَّ مَنْ كَانَ مِنْهُنَّ لَيْسَ لَهَا وَلَدٌ ، وَلَيْسَتْ بِحُبَلَى عَتِيقَةٌ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ , لَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ عَلَيْهَا سَبِيلٌ , وَمَنْ كَانَ مِنْهُنَّ حُبْلَى أَوْ لَهَا وَلَدٌ , تُمْسَكُ عَلَى وَلَدِهَا , فَهِيَ مِنْ حَظِّهِ , فَإِنْ مَاتَ وَلَدُهَا وَهِيَ حَيَّةٌ فَلَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ عَلَيْهَا سَبِيلٌ ، هَذَا مَا قَضَيْتُ فِي وَلائِدِي التِّسْعَ عَشْرَةَ ” ، وَشَهِدَ عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ أَبِي رَافِعٍ , وَهَيَّاجُ بْنُ أَبِي هَيَّاجٍ , وَكَتَبَ عَلِيٌّ بِيَدِهِ : ” لِعَشْرِ لَيَالٍ خَلَوْنَ مِنْ جُمَادَى الأُولَى سَنَةَ تِسْعٍ وَثَلاثِينَ سَنَةً

And the other will is recorded in many other Sunni sources such as Majma` al-Zawa’id by Haythami, al-Mu`jam al-Kabeer by Tabarani and al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah by ibn Katheer, and it is almost exactly the same:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم 
هذا ما أوصى به علي بن أبي طالب

أنه يشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له وأن محمدا عبده ورسوله
أرسله بالهدى ودين الحق ليظهره على الدين كله ولو كره المشركون

إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العالمين لا شريك له وبذلك أمرت وأنا أول المسلمين… 
أوصيك يا حسن وجميع ولدي ومن بلغه كتابي بتقوى الله ربكم ولا تموتن إلا وأنتم مسلمون..
واعتصموا بحبل الله جميعا ولا تفرقوا فإني سمعت أبا القاسم صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: ” إن صلاح ذات البين أفضل من عامة الصلاة والصيام ” 

أنظروا إلى ذوي أرحامكم فصلوا ليهون الله عليكم الحساب
الله الله في الايتام فلا تعفو أفواههم ولا يضيعن بحضرتكم،
والله الله في جيرانكم فإنهم وصية نبيكم، ما زال يوصي بهم حتى ظننا أنه سيورثهم،
والله الله في القرآن فلا يسبقنكم إلى العمل به غيركم، 
والله الله في الصلاة فإنها عمود دينكم، 
والله الله في بيت ربكم فلا يخلون منكم ما بقيتم فإنه إن ترك لم تناظروا، 
والله الله في شهر رمضان فإن صيامه جنة من النار، 
والله الله في الجهاد في سبيل الله بأموالكم وأنفسكم، 
والله الله في الزكاة فإنها تطفئ غضب الرب، 
والله الله في ذمة نبيكم لا تظلمن بين ظهرام، 
والله الله في أصحاب نبيكم فإن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أوصى بهم، 
والله الله في الفقراء والمساكين فأشركوهم في معاشكم، 
والله الله فيما ملكت أيمانكم فإن آخر ما تكلم به رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أن قال: ” أوصيكم بالضعيفين نسائكم وما ملكت أيمانكم “
الصلاة الصلاة لا تخافن في الله لومة لائم يكفكم من أرادكم وبغى عليكم، 
وقولوا للناس حسنا كما أمركم الله، 
ولا تتركوا الامر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر، فيولي الامر شراركم ثم تدعون فلا يستجاب لكم، 
وعليكم بالتواصل والتباذل، 
وإياكم والتدابر والتقاطع والتفرق، 
وتعاونوا على البر والتقوى ولا تعاونوا على الاثم والعدوان 
واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب، 
حفظكم الله من أهل بيت، وحفظ عليكم نبيكم أستودعكم الله وأقرأ عليكم السلام ورحمه الله 

ثم لم ينطق رضى الله عنه إلا بلا إله إلا الله حتى قبض في 18 من شهر رمضان سنة أربعين.

المعجم الكبير الطبرانى :ج1/ص97 ح168 – مجمع الزوائد ومنبع الفوائد للحافظ الهيثمى ج 9 ص 199 – نصب الراية فى تخريج احاديث الهداية ج 13 ص 31 – ارواء الغليل فى تخريج منار السبيل رقم (1640) – البداية والنهاية ج 7 ص 362 – تاريخ الطبرى ج 5 ص 150

In Tareekh al-Tabari and al-Tareekh al-Kabir by Bukhari and Khilafat `Ali by `Abdul-Hameed:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم، هذا ما أوصى به علي بن أبي طالب، أوصى أنه يشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له، وأن محمدا عبده ورسوله، أرسله بالهدى ودين الحق ليظهر على الدين كله ولو كره المشركون، ثم إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العالمين، لا شريك له وبذلك أمرت وأنا من المسلمين، ثم أوصيك يا حسن وجميع ولدي وأهلي بتقوى الله ربكم، ولا تموتن إلا وأنتم مسلمون واعتصموا بحبل الله جميعا، ولا تفرقوا، فإني سمعت أبا القاسم يقول: إن صلاح ذات البين أفضل من عامة الصلاة والصيام، انظروا إلى ذوي أرحامكم فصلوهم يهون الله عليكم الحساب، الله الله في الأيتام، فلا تُعنوا أفواههم، ولا يضيعن بحضرتكم، والله الله في جيرانكم فإنهم وصية نبيكم ، مازال يوصي به حتى ظننا أنه سيورثه، والله الله في القرآن، فلا يسبقكم إلى العمل به غيركم، والله الله في الصلاة فإنها عمود دينكم، والله الله في بيت ربكم فلا تخلوه ما بقيتم، فإنه إن ترك لم يناظر، والله الله في الجهاد في سبيل الله بأموالكم وأنفسكم، والله الله في الزكاة، فإنها تطفيء غضب الرب، والله الله فيما ملكت أيمانكم، الصلاة الصلاة لا تخافن في الله لومة لائم، يكفيكم من أرادكم وبغى عليكم، وقولوا للناس حسنا كما أمركم الله، ولا تتركوا الأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر فيولى الأمر أشراركم ثم تدعون فلا يستجاب لكم، وعليكم بالتواصل والتباذل، وإياكم والتدابر والتقاطع والتفرق، وتعاونوا على البر والتقوى ولا تعاونوا على الإثم والعدوان، واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب، حفظكم الله من أهل بيت، وحفظ فيكم نبيكم، أستودعكم الله، وأقرأ عليكم السلام ورحمة الله» ثم لم ينطق إلا بلا إله إلا الله حتى قبض -رضي الله عنه- في شهر رمضان سنة أربعين ، وجاء في رواية أنه قتل في صبيحة إحدى وعشرين من رمضان ، وتحمل هذه الرواية على اليوم الذي فارق فيه الدنيا، لأنه بقي ثلاثة أيام بعد ضربة الشقي .

تاريخ الطبري 6/ 64.
التاريخ الكبير للبخاري (1/ 99) بسند صحيح.
خلافة علي بن أبي طالب، عبد الحميد، 439.

Although it is quite hard to translate his will with regards to his wealth, it is very identical to the Kafi narration, but his other Will was translated in a book by Muhammad `Ali al-Sallabi:

Will of Ali (ra)


-It appears as though some of the extremist Shia got a hold of the will of `Ali (ra) and narrated it in al-Kafi with a chain of reliable Rafidhah.

-The will appears to be more like a Sunni Hadith of `Ali (ra) rather than a Shia one, it concentrates on the essence of Islam, without Ghulu or fairy tales.

-It contains no Shia beliefs and completely ignores Imamah. some expressions in it raise great doubts over Imamah.

-The Will in the Shia book is in agreement with the Will of `Ali (ra) preserved in the early Sunni sources (Most Sunni books were written a long time before al-Kafi).

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

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The Prophet [SAWS] did not announce the Wilayah of `Ali [ra]

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

al-Kafi 2/224:

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي نَصْرٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا الْحَسَنِ الرِّضَا ( عليه السلام ) عَنْ مَسْأَلَةٍ فَأَبَى وَ أَمْسَكَ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَوْ أَعْطَيْنَاكُمْ كُلَّمَا تُرِيدُونَ كَانَ شَرّاً لَكُمْ وَ أُخِذَ بِرَقَبَةِ صَاحِبِ هَذَا الْأَمْرِ قَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ ( عليه السلام ) وَلَايَةُ اللَّهِ أَسَرَّهَا إِلَى جَبْرَئِيلَ ( عليه السلام ) وَ أَسَرَّهَا جَبْرَئِيلُ إِلَى مُحَمَّدٍ ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) وَ أَسَرَّهَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَى عَلِيٍّ ( عليه السلام ) وَ أَسَرَّهَا عَلِيٌّ إِلَى مَنْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ أَنْتُمْ تُذِيعُونَ ذَلِكَ … فاتقوا الله و لا تذيعوا حديثنا

[Muhammad bin Yahya, from Ahmad bin Muhammad, from Ahmad bin Muhammad bin abi Nasr that he said: I asked abu al-Hassan al-Rida (as) about a matter but he refused to answer, then he said: If we were to give you all that you request, it would bring evil upon you, and the one responsible for this affair(infallible Imam) would lose his neck. abu Ja`far (as) said:

The Wilayah of Allah, He told it to Jibreel (as) secretly, and Jibreel (as) told it to Muhammad (SAWS) secretly, and Muhammad (SAWS) told it to `Ali (as) secretly, and `Ali (as) told it secretly to whomever Allah wanted, but you(shia) announce it (…) so fear Allah and do not publicly announce our Hadiths “]

Majlisi: Sahih – al-Mir’at 9/192.
Behbudi: Sahih al-Kafi 1/99.

In brief the Prophet (SAWS) did not announce the Wilayah of `Ali (ra), nor did the people know who the Imam of their time was.

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Questions on Imamah and 12 Imams by a former Shia – part 2

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

This is part 2.

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1) What is the rational justification of the imams practicing taqiyyah? 

The rational argumentation presented by the imamiyyah FOR imamate is that they are guides for the ummah, and Allah out of his eternal justice HAS to appoint imams for the ummah, or the ummah cannot be held responsible for being misguided (Al-Kafi). But if the guides practised taqiyyah in their teachings, then can the deceived sunni masses really be called ‘misguided’? We have many short-chained narrations in sunni books in which the imams deny being divinely-appointed imams, denying al-raj’a, and professing love for the first 3 caliphs. So can we really blame the innocent sunnis who sincerely thought that the imams were being serious when they said that?

2) Did the imams openly declare themselves to be the 12 khalifas of the Prophet? 

If not, can we really blame the sunnis, zaydis and other muslims for going astray? Surely, it would be the duty of an imam to declare his imamate to the ummah, and not a small circle of followers. They were, after all, imams for the entire ummah right? We see that many shias went ‘astray’ because of the quiescent attitude of imams Sajjad and Ridha. How, then, can we blame those who did not follow those imams?

3) The list of the members of Ahlul-Bayt naturally differs for the different shia sects. Each believes they are right. Some had the following of some prominent shia scholars of the time. Which one is right?

Abil-Jarud (Ziyad bin Mundhir) was a companion of Imam Sajjad, but he became a Zaydi. Ibrahim Bin Salih Al-Kufi was a companion of Imam Baqir, and stopped at him. Also, Ali bin Al-Hasan and Muhammad bin Suma’a are other examples that come to mind. My point: different scholars/companions of the imams differed after the death of an imam. Who should the laity follow? The fomation of the kaysaniyyah and the numerous other shia sects was the direct result of this confusion. Each sect had the backing of scholars and companions of the imams, and they all thought they were right. Who, then, is right?

4) Did the imams and very very close companions only know who the 12 imams would be? 

This seems to be the argument of some 12ers. But this seems to go against many ahadith in which insignificant lay-people narrate ahadith about the Prophet naming the 12 explicitly. How then, did the laity know about them, and the close companions of the imams didn’t? We see them in many narrations coming to the imams and begging them to tell them who the next imam would be (which the imam would and the companion would ecstatically kiss the head, hands and feet of the imam). What was the need for this, if the Prophet had indeed named all twelve?

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Questions on Imamah and 12 Imams by a former Shia – part 1

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

We have already published an article of this brother here where he mentions the reason he embraced correct Islam and rejected the sect of Shiism. In this article we will post some of the Questions that he asked the Shia. These eye-opening questions are for the open minded Shias.

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سم الله الرحمن الرحیم

اسلام علیکم

I will start off by stating that I am not starting this topic with the intent to get the shias here angry, rather I want to hear their honest opinion and would like to see it backed with proof. And of course, I hope to gain more knowledge in the process.

In case you didn’t quite understand what’s up with the name of this thread, I named three (amongst numerous others) of the descendants of Ali who claimed to be imams other than the ones accepted by the ithna asharis. The reason for this thread is to discuss the manner in which the imamat was passed down from imam to imam, and the proofs of this inheritance, as per the testimony of authentic historical documentation.

I shall make this post comprise mostly of questions, and hope that most (if not all) will get answered with satisfactory replies. So here goes:

1) What do ithna asharis have to say about Muhammad ibn Hanafiyyah (the step-brother of Hassan/Hussein)?

Is he regarded as a pious person? Why is it that the majority of shias, after the death of Imam Hussein, regarded Ibn Hanafiyyah as the next imam? Didn’t Hussein tell the shias explicitly who the next imam will be? If so, then why were the shias so confused for the longest time about who to follow, and started following different people from the descendants of Ali(علیهم السلام), until (after quite a long time) it was decided that Ali bin Hussein was the imam?

2) What do ithna asharis say about Zaid bin Ali bin Hussein, Imam Baqir’s uncle?

What do they say about his claims to imamat? Did Ali bin Hussein not tell his *own* children who the next imam was, leaving it up to the shia community to decide? Why is it that Zayd did not have anything against Abu Bakr, Umer and Uthman? Is it possible that Ali, Hassan, Hussein and Ali bin Hussein DIDN’T actually have any feelings of animosity towards the aforementioned people? Could it be that this animosity was created later on and attributed to the ithna ashri imams?

3) What do ithna asharis think of Muhammad (an-Nafs az-Zakiya) b. Abd Allah b. al-Hasan al-Muthanna b. al-Hasan b. Ali b. Abi Talib?

History shows that he was the biggest rival of Jafar as-Sadiq (just like Ibn Hanafiyyah was Imam Ali Sajjad’s, and Zayd was Baqir’s). Again, I raise the question: how could this man claim to be the imam, and a large portion of the shias were adherants of this man? Didn’t al-Hassan bin Ali (علیهم السلام) tell his *own* children who the imams after him would be? Why the mass confusion amongst the shi’i masses? He was known to be quite convinced of his role as the imam of the Muslim ummah, and had debates with the caliph al-Mansur as well. Is it possible that the shias of that time believed that any pious person from the Progeny of Ali was a likely ‘candidate’ for an imam? By seeing the numerous cases of Aliids rising up, claiming to be imams, it seems like that is the case.

What I understand from all this is that shiism was in a very turbulent situation, and the majority of the shia masses did not know who the imam of the time was. There were numerous ‘fake’ imams and they were contemporaries of the ithna ashari imams, and some times their followers exceeded the followers of the ithna ashari imams. So if a Muslim (who believed in the wilayah of the “Ahlul-Bayt”) was present there, WHO would he follow?

I can only conclude from all the historical documentation that the Prophet did *NOT* explicitly name the 12 imams, because if He (صلی الله علیه و اله) HAD done so, there wouldn’t be SO much confusion.

I am willing to hear the replies of shias here, and although I don’t intend for sunnis to post here, it IS (sadly ) an open forum.
It is my request to sunnis to please keep their posts relevant and to the point. That is my plea to shias as well. I would also like to request the shias to be open-minded, honest, and to back their claims with proof.


(PS: These historical facts can be found in many history books, and are aknowledged by shia scholars like Tabatabai and Syed Hussein Jafri. Please refer to “Shi’a” by Tabatabai, and The Origins and Early Developments of Shia Islam)
(PPS: Its interesting to note that the followers of some other ‘fake’ imams also held those imams to be infallible. hmmm….. I find that very interesting)


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