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Confusing History Of Shia Imamate And Mahdi


بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

So a shia said their belief has always been about 12 imam, but in reality, the idea of who would be the mahdi were not so clear by imam’s followers, let alone the no 12.

The confusion happened after every imam died. Fortunately all this was recorded by a 3rd century shia scholar al-Hasan bin Musa al-Nawbakhti in his book Firaq al-Shia. It all started after Ali’s death and it is repeated every time an imam passed away. When the 11th imam died, his followers were divided into 14 different groups, each one has their own unique opinions.

Luckily for shia, several centuries later under the iron fist of bloodthirsty Safavid dynasty, eventually the shia 12er belief reign supreme and became the most powerful of all shia sects.

Let’s see some of the examples of the different imam & mahdi that followers of imam believed from Ali RA until Hasan al-Askari

1. Ali is Mahdi

“….Ali was not killed and he did not die. They said that he would not die until he has driven the Arabs with his cane and filled the earth with justice and fairness after it has been filled with oppression and injustice. This was the first sect in Islam which believed in waqf (imamate ended with Ali as hidden imam) after Rasulullah. They are also the first extremists. They are called Saba’iyyah, the follower of Abdullah bin Saba’ who publicly criticised Abu Bakar, Umar…“

“…some scholars who were close to Ali (AS) said that Abdullah bin Saba’ was a Jew before he converted to Islam…”

“….he (Abdullah bin Saba’) was the first to declare that the imamate of Ali (AS) was mandatory…”

[The first people who hated Abu Bakar & Umar (ra) were the followers of Abdullah bin Saba the Jew, the same person whose existence many Shias of today try to deny]

2. Muhammad bin al Hanafiyya is Mahdi

“….they said al Hasan bin Ali went to war against Mu’awiyah with the permission of Muhammad and made treaty also with his permission. al Husein also, they said, fought Yazid with his permission, if not, both of them (al Hasan & al Husein) will be astray and ruined…”

[Hasan & Husein are followers of the true imam, Muhammad al-Hanafiyah]

3. Abdullah bin Muhammad bin al Hanafiyya (Abu Hashim) is Mahdi

“….he is called Abu Hashim and he is his father’s eldest son. His father appointed him as his successor….he is al Mahdi and he did not die….”

[Muhammad al-Hanafiyah’s son, not Hasan nor Husein as the next imam & Mahdi]

4. Abdullah bin Mu’awiyah bin Abdullah bin Ja’far bin Abi Talib (appointed by Abu Hashim) is Mahdi

“….Abdullah bin Mu’awiyah is al Mahdi, who was mentioned by Rasulullah and his Ahlulbait and he will lead the world, to fill it with goodness and justice after it was filled with injustice and oppression. Then, when he died, he will leave his position to someone from Bani Hashim – from the descendant of Ali bin Abi Talib….”

[Imamate would be in the hands of Bani Hashim from Ali bin Abi Talib, not just exclusively to Husein’s progeny]

5. Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hasan (al-Mutsanna) bin al Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Talib is Mahdi (known as an-Nafs az-Zakiya)

“When Abu Ja’far (AS) dies, his followers were divided into 2 groups. The first believed in the imamate of Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hasan bin al Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Talib who revolted in Madina and was killed there. He claimed that he was al Mahdi and he did not die….”

[Mahdi is Hasan’s progeny who was martyred in Madina]

6. Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi

“His followers (Ja’far al Sadiq) were divided into 6 groups…..Ja’far bin Muhammad did not die and he will not die until he revolts and rule the people and he is al-Mahdi….”

[Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi, however after his death the majority of Shia’s scholars & respected figures believed in Abdullah, not Musa al-Kadhim as the next imam. After Abdullah died, they then followed Musa al-Kazim. Whatever happened to the so called hadith which mentioned all the 12 imam by names, did those shia scholars could not tell the difference between the name Abdullah & Musa?]

7. Ismail bin Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi

“….they denied the death of Ismail during his father’s life – saying it was a trick plotted by his father, who was afraid for him, so he hid him. They claimed Ismail would not die until he ruled the world and cared for the people and that he was al-Mahdi, because his father appointed him for the imamate after him….”

[The true imam was Ismail not Musa al-Kadhim]

8. Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ja’far al Sadiq is Mahdi

“….There were only 7 imam after Rasulullah and his Ahlulbait. They were Ali bin Abi Talib, al-Hasan, al-Husein, Ali bin al-Husein, Muhammad bin Ali, Ja’far bin Muhammad, Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ja’far, who was al-Qaim al-Mahdi….”

[True imam were only 7 not 12]

9. Musa al Kadhim is Mahdi

“….Musa bin Ja’far did not die, nor will he die until he rules the world from east to west. He would fill it with justice after it had been filled with oppression. They claimed that he was al-Qaim al-Mahdi….”

[Imamate ended with al-Kadhim, did not continue after him. Ali al-Ridha and others after him were only al-Kadhim’s deputies, not true imam]

10. Muhammad bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali bin Musa is Mahdi

“….when Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali bin Musa al-Ridha (AS) died, a group from his followers believed in the imamate of his son, Muhammad, who died in Samarra during his father’s life…They claimed that he was al-Mahdi….”

[Ali al-Ridha did not appointed Muhammad al-Jawad/al-Taqi as the next imam as he was not a mature adult]

11. Hasan bin Ali al-Askari is Mahdi

“….his followers became fourteen 14 groups after his death. One group said that al-Hasan bin Ali is alive, but he disappeared and he is al-Mahdi, for it is impossible for him to die not leaving an acknowledged son….”

[This is one of the most confusing death as his followers were divided into this many groups]

And we still hear shia said that their imamate belief is as clear as the sun. The belief which suppose to prevent the them from misguidance became the doctrine which misguide and confused shia, even their scholars during their imam’s life.


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Three Shia infallible Imams, Three conflicting answers

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

We often come across this but this time I feel posting it…

محمد بن يعقوب، عن علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى، عن يونس عن معاوية بن وهب قال: سألت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) عن النوم في المسجد الحرام ومسجد الرسول (صلى الله عليه وآله)؟ قال: نعم

[`Ali bin Ibrahim, from Muhammad bin `Isa, from Yunus, from Mu`awiyah bin Wahb that he said: I asked abu `Abdillah (as) about sleeping in the Masjid al-Haram and the Masjid al-Nabawi, he said: It’s allowed.]

source: al-Kafi 3/369 #10.

وعنه، عن أبيه، عن حماد، عن حريز، عن زرارة بن أعين قال: قلت لأبي جعفر (عليه السلام): ما تقول في النوم في المساجد؟ فقال: لا بأس به، إلا في المسجدين: مسجد النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) والمسجد الحرام

[`Ali bin Ibrahim, from his father, from Hammad, from Hurayz, from Zurarah bin A`yyan that he said: I told abu Ja`far (as): What is your verdict on sleeping in the Masaajid? He said: No harm in this, except for two: Masjid al-Nabi and Masjid al-Haram.]

source: al-Kafi 3/370 #11.

عن عبدالله بن الحسن، عن جده علي بن جعفر، عن أخيه، قال: سألته عن النوم في المسجد الحرام؟ قال: لابأس، وسألته عن النوم في مسجد الرسول؟ قال: لا يصلح

[From `Abdullah bin al-Hasan, from his grandfather `Ali bin Ja`far, from his brother, He said: I asked him about sleeping in the Masjid al-Haram? He repied: No harm in this. Then I asked him about sleeping in Masjid al-Rasul? He said: Not allowed.]

source: Qurb al-Isnad pg.69 #6382.

al-Baqir says: You cannot sleep in al-Masjid al-Nabawi nor al-Masjid al-Haram but the rest are ok.

al-Sadiq his son contradicts him and says: There is no issue in sleeping in any Masjid.

al-Kadhim his grandson contradicts both and says: No issue in sleeping in Masjid al-Haram but not in al-Nabawi.

The joys of infallibility. This is what I call “Lutf”, Allah left us without an infallible and we only have conflicting Hadith.

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The Lies of the Shia Infallible Imams


For those of you that don’t know, Sulaiman bin Jareer is the leader of the Sulaimaniya/Jareeriya Zaidi sect. He lived during the times of Abu Ja’afar Al-Mansour, which means that he was a contemporary of Ja’afar Al-Sadiq.

Al-Nawbakhti, the Shia historian relates his story and his arguments against the Imamis:

لما أشار جعفر بن محمد إلى إمامة ابنه إسماعيل ثم مات إسماعيل في حياة أبيه رجعوا عن إمامة جعفر وقالوا كذبنا ولم يكن إماما لأن الإمام لا يكذب ولا يقول ما لا يكون، وحكوا عن جعفر أنه قال إن الله عز وجل بدا له في إمامة اسماعيل، فأنكروا البداء والمشيئة من الله وقالوا هذا باطل لا يجوز، ومالوا إلى مقالة البترية ومقالة سليمان بن جرير وهو الذي قال لأصحابه بهذا السبب إن أئمة الرافضة وضعوا لشيعتهم مقالتين لا يظهرون معهما من أئمتهم على كذب أبدا وهما القول بالبداء وإجازة التقية، فأما البداء فإن أئمتهم لما أحلوا أنفسهم من شيعنهم محل الأنبياء من رعيتها في العلم فيما كان ويكون والإخبار بما يكون في غد وقالوا لشيعتهم إنه سيكون في غد وفي غابر الأيام كذا وكذا فإن جاء ذلك الشيء على ما قالوه قالوا لهم: ألم نعلمكم أن هذا يكون فنحن نعلم من قبل الله عز وجل ما علمته الأنبياء وبيننا وبين الله عز وجل مثل تلك الأسباب التي علمت بها الأنبياء عن الله ما علمت، وإن لم يكن ذلك الشيء الذي قالوا إنه يكون على ما قالوا قالوا لشيعتهم: بدا لله في ذلك [فلم] يكونه. وأما التقية فإنه لما كثرت على أئمتهم مسائل شيعنهم في الحلال والحرام وغير ذلك من صنوف أبواب الدين فأجابوا فيها وحفظ عنهم شيعتهم جواب ما سألوهم وكتبوه ودونوه ولم يحفظ أئمتهم تلك الأجوبة لتقادم العهد وتفاوت الأوقات لأن مسائلهم لم ترد في يوم واحد ولا في شهر واحد بل في سنين متباعدة وأشهر متباينة وأوقات متفرقة فوقع في أيديهم في المسألة الواحدة عدة أجوبة مختلفة متضادة وفي مسائل مختلفة أجوبة متفقة، فلما وقفوا على ذلك منهم ردوا إليهم هذا الاختلاف والتخليط في جواباتهم وسألوهم عنه وأنكروه عليهم فقالوا: من أين هذا الاختلاف وكيف جاز ذلك؟ قالت لهم أئمتهم: إنما أجبنا بهذا للتقية ولنا أن نجيب بما أحببنا وكيف شئنا لأن ذلك إلينا ونحن نعلم بما يصلحكم وما فيه بقاؤنا وبقاؤكم وكف عدوكم عنا وعنكم؛ فمتى يظهر من هؤلاء على كذب ومتى يعرف لهم حق من باطل؟ فمال إلى سليمان بن جرير هذا لهذا القول جماعة من أصحاب أبي جعفر وتركوا القول بإمامة جعفر عليهما السلام


When Ja’afar bin Mohammad pointed towards the Imamate of his son Isma’eel, he (Isma’eel) died during the life of his father, and they (the Imamis) turned away from the Imamate of Ja’afar. They said, “We were lied upon, and the Imam does not lie, nor does he say what doesn’t happen.” They narrated from Ja’afar that he said that bada’a (what was hidden has become apparent) occured to Allah as to what would happen to the Imamate of Isma’eel. They turned away from bada’a and the will of Allah and said that this is false and not permissible. They shifted to the view of the Batriyyah.

As for the statement of Sulaiman bin Jareer, who said to his companions that the Imams of the Rafidha created two ideological view, which prevents them from ever finding an apparent lie from the Imams, which are bada’a and taqiyyah.

(Sulaiman bin Jareer said:) As for bada’a, when the Imams have taken the station of prophets amongst their people, in the knowledge of past and future, they told their Shias, “Tomorrow, such and such will happen.” If that matter occurred, they said, “Didn’t we tell you that this would happen?! We knew this from Allah what the prophets knew from Him, and between us and Allah are the causes of which how the prophets knew from Allah what they knew.” However, if that matter that they said would happen didn’t occur, they would said, “Bada’a has occurred to Allah, so it didn’t happen.”
As for taqiyyah, for when there were so many questions regarding the halal and haram and other matters that they responded to, and these answers were memorized, written, and documented, by their Shias, and the Imams themselves didn’t memorize their answers due to the passage of time, for their questions didn’t occur in one day, nor one month, but were years and months apart, and different times, they answered a question with many contradicting answers, and contradicting answers with a similar answer. So, when they were encountered due to these contradictions in their answers, were condemned,  and they were asked, “Where did these contradictions come from, and how is this possible?” The Imams responded, “Our responses were taqiyyah, and we can answer in whichever way we want, for that is to us, and we know what is best for you, and what will cause us both to last, and what prevents our enemies from us.”

So, how is it possible for their lies to be apparent and how is it possible to know their truth from their falsehood?!

Al-Nawbakhti comments: And so, a group of the companions of Abi Ja’afar joined Sulaiman bin Jareer and left the opinion that Ja’afar (as) is the Imam.

I (Farid) say: The argumentation of Sulaiman bin Jareer is flawless. It is no wonder that Imamis joined him after formulating these arguments. However, as a Sunni, I am obligated to believe that it was not the Twelver Imams that created these concepts, but rather, the liars amongst their students. For we do not find cases in which the bada’a card needs to be played in the narrations attributed to the Al-Baqir and Al-Sadiq in the Sunni hadith library, nor do we find the insane amount of contradictions that we find in the Shia hadith library within our system.

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Shia Imams misguiding the people

al-Salamu ‘Aleykum,

I am sure you’ve all read this topic here which shows that the Imam himself is not trustworthy according to the Shia narrations:
Imams confusing and misguiding Shia

Now the Shia have this strange rule, their Imams supposedly advise them that everything which contradicts Ahlul-Sunnah is the true guidance, they tell their followers to do everything which opposes the “sunnies” basically because they believe we Muslims are misguided, however you later find the Imams contradicting themselves by ordering their followers to do exactly as the sunnies do with the excuse of Taqqiyah.

And here is another related topic:
The Role of Taqqiyah in weakening or strengthening narrations

The Imam according to the Shia intentionally misleads and misguides his followers as well as the mainstream Muslims (sunnah), in this topic we will quote the narrations quoted by the Shia scholar Yusuf al-Bahrani in the introduction of his book “al-Hadaeq al-Nadirah”, we read:

و الى ذلك يشير قوله عليه السلام

(و لو اجتمعتم على أمر واحد لصدقكم الناس علينا. إلخ).

و من ذلك ايضا ما رواه الشيخ في التهذيب «1» في الصحيح- على الظاهر- عن سالم أبي خديجة عن أبي عبد الله (ع) قال: (سأله إنسان و أنا حاضر فقال: ربما دخلت المسجد و بعض أصحابنا يصلي العصر، و بعضهم يصلي الظهر؟ فقال: أنا أمرتهم بهذا، لو صلوا على وقت واحد لعرفوا فأخذ برقابهم) و هو أيضا صريح في المطلوب، إذ لا يخفى أنه لا تطرق للحمل هنا على موافقة العامة، لاتفاقهم على التفريق بين وقتي الظهر و العصر و مواظبتهم على ذلك.

و ما رواه الشيخ في كتاب العدة «1» مرسلا عن الصادق عليه السلام: انه (سئل عن اختلاف أصحابنا في المواقيت؟ فقال: انا خالفت بينهم).

و ما رواه في الاحتجاج «2» بسنده فيه عن حريز عن ابي عبد الله (ع) قال:

(قلت له: انه ليس شي‏ء أشد علي من اختلاف أصحابنا. قال ذلك من قبلي).

و ما رواه في كتاب معاني الاخبار عن الخزاز عمن حدثه عن ابي الحسن (ع) قال: (اختلاف أصحابي لكم رحمة و قال (ع): إذا كان ذلك جمعتكم على أمر واحد). و سئل عن اختلاف أصحابنا فقال عليه السلام: (انا فعلت ذلك بكم و لو اجتمعتم على أمر واحد لأخذ برقابكم).

و ما رواه في الكافي بسنده فيه عن موسى بن أشيم قال: (كنت عند ابي عبد الله عليه السلام فسأله رجل عن آية من كتاب الله عز و جل فأخبره بها ثم دخل عليه داخل فسأله عن تلك الآية فأخبره بخلاف ما أخبر به الأول، فدخلني من ذلك ما شاء الله، الى أن قال: فبينما أنا كذلك إذ دخل عليه آخر فسأله عن تلك الآية فأخبره بخلاف ما أخبرني و أخبر صاحبي، فسكنت نفسي و علمت ان ذلك منه تقية.

 And to this points his saying (as):

“And if you(shia) all gather upon one thing then the people will believe you concerning us ect…”

And the Sheikh has also narrated in al-Tahtheeb in the SAHIH from Salim abu Khadeejah from abu ‘Abdullah (as): a man asked him (as) while I was present: “sometimes I would enter the mosque and I would see some of our companions(shia) praying ‘Asr while the others pray Zuhr?” he (as) replied: “I ordered them to do this because if they all prayed at the same time then our matter would be known and they would be executed.”

The Imam is very honest in his saying and in this case he did not do what the mainstream Muslims do as it is clear for them(sunnies) that the timing of both prayers are separate.

Also what is narrated by the sheikh in his book al-‘Iddah in the Mursal from al-Sadiq (as): “He was asked about the difference among our companions in timings(of acts of worship)” he (as) responded: “I am the one who made them differ among themselves.”

And what is narrated in al-Ihtijaj with its Sanad to Huraiz from abu ‘Abdullah (as), he said to the Imam: “There is nothing more saddening for me than the difference of our companions(shia)” the Imam (as) replied: “I did this.”

And what he narrated in the book Ma’anee al-Akhbar from al-Khazzaz from he who told him from abu al-Hasan(as) who said: “The difference among my companions is a mercy.” and he (as) also said: “When that happens I will unite you upon one thing.” and in another place he (as) was asked about the difference among our companions(Shia) so he (as) said: “I did this to you, and if you were to unite upon one matter then your heads will be taken.”

And what is narrated in al-Kafi with its Isnad from Musa bin Ashyam, he said: I was with abu ‘Abdullah (as) so a man asked him about a verse from the verses of the book of Allah almighty, he answered him then another man came and inquired about the same verse but he gave him a different answer from the first man, I then doubted him greatly – until he said – and while I was like this suddenly a man enters and asks about that same verse so he gave him an answer different from mine and my companion’s answers, so my doubts subsided and I realized this was Tqqiyah.” [Scans 1, 2, 3]


I ask the Shia who fear Allah, is this acceptable? The divine Imams who are sent  from God to guide men and rule the nation are living by Taqqiyah misguiding and confusing everyone?

NOTE: According to Ahlul-Sunnah the Imams are trustworthy scholars who never practice Taqqiyah, it is a shame such narrations are being attributed to them. 

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‘Shia’ Imam allows followers to spread Sunni opinions

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

This was pointed to us by Farid, an authentic Sahih Shia narration related to the issue of Taqiyyah:

Imam Jafar Sadiq a.s is reported to have said to Mu’adh ibn Muslim al Nahawi “I have been informed that you sit in the mosque and give legal opinions to people.”

“Yes I do,” Mu’adh answered, “and I wanted to ask you about this before I left you. As I sit in the mosque, people come to ask me questions. When I know that the asker is an opponent of you, I answer him according to other sects opinion. When I know that the asker is a follower of you, I answer him according to what you have said about this question. However, it happens that a man whose sect I cannot recognize comes to me, so I answer him that so and so scholar says this and so and so scholar says that. Hence I include your sayings along with others opinions.”

The Imam a.s answered, “Good, continue in this way because I myself do it”

(33435) 36 –

وعن حمدويه وإبراهيم ابني نصير. عن يعقوب بن يزيد، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن حسين [ حسن ] بن معاذ، عن أبيه معاذ بن مسلم النحوي، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: بلغني أنك تقعد في الجامع فتفتي الناس ؟ قلت: نعم وأردت أن أسألك عن ذلك قبل أن أخرج، إني أقعد في المسجد فيجئ الرجل فيسألني عن الشئ فإذا عرفته بالخلاف لكم أخبرته بما يفعلون، ويجئ الرجل أعرفه بمودتكم وحبكم فاخبره بما جاء عنكم، ويجئ الرجل لا أعرفه ولا أدري من هو فأقول: جاء عن فلان كذا وجاء عن فلان كذا فادخل قولكم فيما بين ذلك، فقال لي: اصنع كذا فاني كذا أصنع.

ورواه الصدوق في (العلل) عن جعفر بن علي عن علي بن عبد الله، عن معاذ مثله.

(36) رجال الكشى: ص 164 – ح 1 – العلل: ج 2 ص 218 – ح 2 (بتفاوت واختلاف)

Now with this narration in mind, we have some points:

1- This opposes the narrations in which the Imam recommends his followers to do Taqiyyah as its rewards are many.

He was asked: “Who is the most complete of the people in terms of good Habits?” He said: “He who practices Taqiyyah the most.”
And in another Hadith he said: “There is nothing good in he who does not do Taqiyyah and there is no faith for he who does not do Taqiyyah.”
And he said: “The Kindest among you in the sight of Allah the glorious, are those who practice Taqiyyah the most.”

2- This opposes the narrations in which the Imam would intentionally give out false opinions to confuse their opponents and even their Shia.

3- This opposes the narrations in which the Imam tells his companions to hide their Hadith and not narrate them.

For example he said: “You(People) have a religion which if you hide it(Taqiyyah) then Allah will raise your rank and if you spread it then Allah will humiliate you.”

4- In no narration have I seen the Imam say “My opinion is such, and Abu Hanifa’s opinion is such”.

5-This opposes the Shia narrations that state that the Imams know what is in the breasts of the people, in other words they know what a person is Shia or not, in other narrations it says they had a book with the names of all Shia.

6- We’ve seen the Imam in several narration being asked by a Shia such as abu a;-Jaroud or whoever, but he answers them with Taqiyyah.

7- We see that religion can be propagated from other than the Imams, so their existence is not that necessary.

More observations are welcome.

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Shia attributing Ilm al-Ghayb to their Imams

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Shia attributing knowledge of the unseen to their Imams and Saints

According to Shiism their infallible Imams know everything that happened in the past and everything that will happen in the future. This is another proof that Shiism is a ghali sect and extremely deviant one.

Knowledge of Unseen between Islam & Shi’ism

Shia attributing al-Ghayb to their Imams and Saints

The knowledge of the Unseen/Ghayb – The Shia stance compared

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