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Shia Hadith about the time of Mahdi’s rise disproves the concept of 12 Imams

Shia Hadith about the time of Mahdi’s rise disproves the concept of 12 Imams.

Imam said: Allah (t) had set a time for this Order in 70 AH, but when al-Husayn (as) was killed, Allah’s (t) anger with the people of the Earth intensified. So He delayed it till 140 AH, and we narrated to you [regarding it] and you publicized the narration, so the secret was disclosed. Allah thereafter has not set any time for it that we know of. And, “Allah erases what He wills and establishes [what He wills]; and with Him is the Original Book” (13:39). [Al-Kafi. Bilal Muhammad’s grading: “mursal kal-sahih”.]

My comments:

The narration refers to the time in which the Mahdi was supposed to rise to spread justice. Originally, he was going to appear in the year 70, however, allegedly, that timing has been pushed back due to the sins of man.

Significance of the report:

– it nullifies all earlier reports that speak of Imams after Al-Hussain, including the reports of Sulaym.
– it contradicts the Sunni hadith of Jabir bin Samura that there will be Twelve caliphs.
– it implies that Allah doesn’t know the future.

Taken from brother Farid’s twitter post.

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Manipulation of Pro Ismaili Shia Hadith by Twelver Shias

-=[Twelver Shia Manipulation of Ismaeli Hadith]

While reading Ali ibn Babawayh’s Al-Imamah wal Tabsira, and comparing its contents to other Shia works, I stumbled upon a fascinating narration that implicates Twelvers of manipulating Isma’eeli reports.

Ja’afar Al-Sadiq is rebuking his son Abdullah, saying to him: “Why can’t you be like your brother? By Allah, I see the light in his face!”

Abdullah responds: “Don’t we have the same father? Don’t we have the same mother?”

Ja’afar says: “Isma’eel is from me and you are my son.”

This report can be understood in two ways. It can be seen as a general praise for Ismaeel. It can also be seen as evidence that he’s the next Imam. This itself is clear from the praise given.

What leads to this conclusion is: – that he is “from his father” – the light in his face – that Al-Sadiq also doesn’t ask Abdullah to be like Musa instead

Al-Kulayni then narrates the exact same report, with the SAME chain of narrators, but removes Isma’eel’s name and substitutes it with “my son.” He includes this report in the section called Chapter of Evidence for Musa.

Why was the word left ambigious though? Why did it say: “My son” instead of an explicit “Musa”? My guess is that whoever tampered with the hadith (most likely Al-Kulayni) didn’t want to flat out lie about it.

Instead, he narrated the hadith as per its meaning, since Isma’eel and Musa are both sons of Ja’afar. Though, he had to keep it ambiguous so that this wouldn’t be used as evidence for Isma’eel. Of course, placing it in a chapter about evidence for Musa is clearly foul play.

It is a shame that we do not have access to many Isma’eeli texts that provide their evidence for the Imamah of Isma’eel. I’m sure we would find many more examples of these if they were available to us.



Original narration in Ali ibn Babawayh’s Al-Imamah wal Tabsira


Tampered narration in Al-Kulayni’s al-Kafi

Originally posted on twitter by brother Farid : https://twitter.com/Farid_0v/status/1139920312894722049

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Confusing History Of Shia Imamate And Mahdi


بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

So a shia said their belief has always been about 12 imam, but in reality, the idea of who would be the mahdi were not so clear by imam’s followers, let alone the no 12.

The confusion happened after every imam died. Fortunately all this was recorded by a 3rd century shia scholar al-Hasan bin Musa al-Nawbakhti in his book Firaq al-Shia. It all started after Ali’s death and it is repeated every time an imam passed away. When the 11th imam died, his followers were divided into 14 different groups, each one has their own unique opinions.

Luckily for shia, several centuries later under the iron fist of bloodthirsty Safavid dynasty, eventually the shia 12er belief reign supreme and became the most powerful of all shia sects.

Let’s see some of the examples of the different imam & mahdi that followers of imam believed from Ali RA until Hasan al-Askari

1. Ali is Mahdi

“….Ali was not killed and he did not die. They said that he would not die until he has driven the Arabs with his cane and filled the earth with justice and fairness after it has been filled with oppression and injustice. This was the first sect in Islam which believed in waqf (imamate ended with Ali as hidden imam) after Rasulullah. They are also the first extremists. They are called Saba’iyyah, the follower of Abdullah bin Saba’ who publicly criticised Abu Bakar, Umar…“

“…some scholars who were close to Ali (AS) said that Abdullah bin Saba’ was a Jew before he converted to Islam…”

“….he (Abdullah bin Saba’) was the first to declare that the imamate of Ali (AS) was mandatory…”

[The first people who hated Abu Bakar & Umar (ra) were the followers of Abdullah bin Saba the Jew, the same person whose existence many Shias of today try to deny]

2. Muhammad bin al Hanafiyya is Mahdi

“….they said al Hasan bin Ali went to war against Mu’awiyah with the permission of Muhammad and made treaty also with his permission. al Husein also, they said, fought Yazid with his permission, if not, both of them (al Hasan & al Husein) will be astray and ruined…”

[Hasan & Husein are followers of the true imam, Muhammad al-Hanafiyah]

3. Abdullah bin Muhammad bin al Hanafiyya (Abu Hashim) is Mahdi

“….he is called Abu Hashim and he is his father’s eldest son. His father appointed him as his successor….he is al Mahdi and he did not die….”

[Muhammad al-Hanafiyah’s son, not Hasan nor Husein as the next imam & Mahdi]

4. Abdullah bin Mu’awiyah bin Abdullah bin Ja’far bin Abi Talib (appointed by Abu Hashim) is Mahdi

“….Abdullah bin Mu’awiyah is al Mahdi, who was mentioned by Rasulullah and his Ahlulbait and he will lead the world, to fill it with goodness and justice after it was filled with injustice and oppression. Then, when he died, he will leave his position to someone from Bani Hashim – from the descendant of Ali bin Abi Talib….”

[Imamate would be in the hands of Bani Hashim from Ali bin Abi Talib, not just exclusively to Husein’s progeny]

5. Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hasan (al-Mutsanna) bin al Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Talib is Mahdi (known as an-Nafs az-Zakiya)

“When Abu Ja’far (AS) dies, his followers were divided into 2 groups. The first believed in the imamate of Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hasan bin al Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Talib who revolted in Madina and was killed there. He claimed that he was al Mahdi and he did not die….”

[Mahdi is Hasan’s progeny who was martyred in Madina]

6. Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi

“His followers (Ja’far al Sadiq) were divided into 6 groups…..Ja’far bin Muhammad did not die and he will not die until he revolts and rule the people and he is al-Mahdi….”

[Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi, however after his death the majority of Shia’s scholars & respected figures believed in Abdullah, not Musa al-Kadhim as the next imam. After Abdullah died, they then followed Musa al-Kazim. Whatever happened to the so called hadith which mentioned all the 12 imam by names, did those shia scholars could not tell the difference between the name Abdullah & Musa?]

7. Ismail bin Ja’far al-Sadiq is Mahdi

“….they denied the death of Ismail during his father’s life – saying it was a trick plotted by his father, who was afraid for him, so he hid him. They claimed Ismail would not die until he ruled the world and cared for the people and that he was al-Mahdi, because his father appointed him for the imamate after him….”

[The true imam was Ismail not Musa al-Kadhim]

8. Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ja’far al Sadiq is Mahdi

“….There were only 7 imam after Rasulullah and his Ahlulbait. They were Ali bin Abi Talib, al-Hasan, al-Husein, Ali bin al-Husein, Muhammad bin Ali, Ja’far bin Muhammad, Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ja’far, who was al-Qaim al-Mahdi….”

[True imam were only 7 not 12]

9. Musa al Kadhim is Mahdi

“….Musa bin Ja’far did not die, nor will he die until he rules the world from east to west. He would fill it with justice after it had been filled with oppression. They claimed that he was al-Qaim al-Mahdi….”

[Imamate ended with al-Kadhim, did not continue after him. Ali al-Ridha and others after him were only al-Kadhim’s deputies, not true imam]

10. Muhammad bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali bin Musa is Mahdi

“….when Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali bin Musa al-Ridha (AS) died, a group from his followers believed in the imamate of his son, Muhammad, who died in Samarra during his father’s life…They claimed that he was al-Mahdi….”

[Ali al-Ridha did not appointed Muhammad al-Jawad/al-Taqi as the next imam as he was not a mature adult]

11. Hasan bin Ali al-Askari is Mahdi

“….his followers became fourteen 14 groups after his death. One group said that al-Hasan bin Ali is alive, but he disappeared and he is al-Mahdi, for it is impossible for him to die not leaving an acknowledged son….”

[This is one of the most confusing death as his followers were divided into this many groups]

And we still hear shia said that their imamate belief is as clear as the sun. The belief which suppose to prevent the them from misguidance became the doctrine which misguide and confused shia, even their scholars during their imam’s life.


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Ammar Nakhshawani: Ali hid the real Quran, only 12th Imam will reveal it

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Sayed Ammar Nakshwani claims Ali bin abi Talib compiled and then hid the real Quran, only the 12th Imam, the Mahdi of the Shia, will reveal it when he appears.

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The oppression of Ali bin abi Talib

Assalamu Alaikum,

One of the main themes of Rafidism is the “oppression of Ahlul Bayt”. Ali (RA), according to the Rafida, was oppressed after the Prophet (SAWS) died. He was denied his rightful Khilafa, his wife was beaten up, his wife’s inheritance was stolen (Fadak) – amongst other things.

The Rafida go to great lengths to bewail, mourn and eulogise this severe oppression.

The Rafida also pride themselves on being a people of “logic”. They berate the Ash’aris and their literalism, their backwardness, and take pride in their use of ‘Aql and Ijtihad in interpreting the Qur’an and Ahadith.

So, I ask the Rafida to “logically” interpret the following facts about ‘Ali (RA), and to reconcile them with their belief in his oppression:

– Ali (RA) married 8 women.


– Ali (RA) had 28 children.


Taking the above facts into account:

– Logically – does a man who marries 8 times and has 28 children sound like he lived in oppression?

– Can a poor and oppressed man marry and maintain 8 women? – even if you don’t marry them at the same time

– Can a poor and oppressed man maintain and support 28 children? – let’s assume most of them make it to adulthood

– Where did ‘Ali get the money for this? Was he a known as a rich man?

– So where did he get this money?


Written by a former Shia brother

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Three Shia infallible Imams, Three conflicting answers

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

We often come across this but this time I feel posting it…

محمد بن يعقوب، عن علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى، عن يونس عن معاوية بن وهب قال: سألت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) عن النوم في المسجد الحرام ومسجد الرسول (صلى الله عليه وآله)؟ قال: نعم

[`Ali bin Ibrahim, from Muhammad bin `Isa, from Yunus, from Mu`awiyah bin Wahb that he said: I asked abu `Abdillah (as) about sleeping in the Masjid al-Haram and the Masjid al-Nabawi, he said: It’s allowed.]

source: al-Kafi 3/369 #10.

وعنه، عن أبيه، عن حماد، عن حريز، عن زرارة بن أعين قال: قلت لأبي جعفر (عليه السلام): ما تقول في النوم في المساجد؟ فقال: لا بأس به، إلا في المسجدين: مسجد النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله) والمسجد الحرام

[`Ali bin Ibrahim, from his father, from Hammad, from Hurayz, from Zurarah bin A`yyan that he said: I told abu Ja`far (as): What is your verdict on sleeping in the Masaajid? He said: No harm in this, except for two: Masjid al-Nabi and Masjid al-Haram.]

source: al-Kafi 3/370 #11.

عن عبدالله بن الحسن، عن جده علي بن جعفر، عن أخيه، قال: سألته عن النوم في المسجد الحرام؟ قال: لابأس، وسألته عن النوم في مسجد الرسول؟ قال: لا يصلح

[From `Abdullah bin al-Hasan, from his grandfather `Ali bin Ja`far, from his brother, He said: I asked him about sleeping in the Masjid al-Haram? He repied: No harm in this. Then I asked him about sleeping in Masjid al-Rasul? He said: Not allowed.]

source: Qurb al-Isnad pg.69 #6382.

al-Baqir says: You cannot sleep in al-Masjid al-Nabawi nor al-Masjid al-Haram but the rest are ok.

al-Sadiq his son contradicts him and says: There is no issue in sleeping in any Masjid.

al-Kadhim his grandson contradicts both and says: No issue in sleeping in Masjid al-Haram but not in al-Nabawi.

The joys of infallibility. This is what I call “Lutf”, Allah left us without an infallible and we only have conflicting Hadith.

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al-Kulayni’s best joke and contradiction in al-Kafi

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

Check out this funny man’s contradiction.

Muhammad ibn Ya’qub al-Kulayni narrated in al-Kafi vol.1 pg.261:

أن الأئمة عليهم السلام يعلمون علم ما كان وما يكون وانه لا يخفى عليهم الشئ صلوات الله عليهم


أحمد بن محمد ومحمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن إبراهيم بن إسحاق الأحمر، عن عبد الله بن حماد، عن سيف التمار قال كنا مع أبي عبد الله عليه السلام جماعة من الشيعة في الحجر فقال: علينا عين؟ فالتفتنا يمنة ويسرة فلم نر أحدا فقلنا: ليس علينا عين فقال: ورب الكعبة ورب البنية – ثلاث مرات – لو كنت بين موسى والخضر لأخبرتهما أني أعلم منهما ولأنبئتهما بما ليس في أيديهما، لان موسى والخضر عليهما السلام أعطيا علم ما كان ولم يعطيا علم ما يكون وما هو كائن حتى تقوم الساعة وقد ورثناه من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وراثة

Chapter: That the Imams have the Knowledge of What Was and  What Will Be, and That Nothing Is Unknown to Them, may the blessings of Allah be upon them.


Ahmad ibn Muhammad and Muhammad ibn Yahya have narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn from Ibrahim ibn Ishaq al-Ahmar from ‘Abd Allah ibn Hammad from Sayf al-Tammar who has said that he with a group of Shi‘a were in the presence of abu ‘Abd Allah (as), in a room so the Imam (as) said: “Are there eyes watching us?” We then looked right and left and did not see anyone. We said, “No eye is watching over us.” The Imam (as), said, “I swear by the Lord of the Ka‘ba. I swear by the Lord of the House.” He said so three times. “Had I been with Moses and al-Khidr I would have told them that I had more knowledge than they did and would have informed them of that of which they had no knowledge. This is because Moses and al-Khidr were given the knowledge of what was in the past and they were not given the knowledge of what will be in future or what will exist up to the Day of Judgment, while we have inherited all of it (knowledge) from the Messenger of Allah as heirs.”

LINK: http://shiaonlinelib…/الصفحة_309#top

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Does the belief in Imamah permit the so called “Ghaybah”?

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

Everyone knows the original argument of the early Imami Shia, that the Imam must be available at all times and if there is no Imam the world would crumble and the earth would shake and all that other baseless nonsense.

Now the famous Shia scholar al-Murtada who came after the Ghaybah like all his other companions had to defend the concept stated above, his biggest problem at that point was that THERE WAS NO IMAM, their man was hidden in occultation.

al-Murtada wrote a book on Ghaybah just like his other companions, each of them trying to explain it, each making excuses for it. What caught my eye was one sentence he wrote in his book. He wrote: “Would you accept that the disappearance (Of the Imam) is permitted (In Islam and intellect) ?”

Since he wrote his book to defend their theory of 12 Imams I knew he would say “YES I DO”. In fact that’s what he said right after it:

أنا لذلك مجوز

“I permit it.”

After this he tries to give some excuses as to why he permits it, although in the previous paragraph he himself was saying “We don’t know the true wisdom behind it.”


I remembered at that point, the argument of the first early Imami Shia who were so stuck up on having an infallible Imam 24/7. Those early Shia who if they were asked: “Okay you guys claim that the earth needs an infallible Imam the whole time, would it be acceptable if this Imam let’s say was handicapped and couldn’t do his job? or he took a vacation without telling anyone and disappeared for a couple of months?”

These early Imami scholars who were the heavyweights of the Mahdab during their time would have surely said:

“NO WAY! The Imam needs to be always present! Who then will guide the people and correct the innovations and explain the Qur’an!? The intellect does not allow this!!! If the Imam is gone then Allah would not be a just God! The presence of the Imam is out of grace and Lutf so how can he disappear!? The earth will tremble and mountains will fall bla bla…”

Then I remembered, it was these same early scholars who invented the Madhab in the first place, they fabricated these narrations and made up the entire story to begin with!!! So maybe they declared in their narrations that the Imam must NEVER be allowed to disappear, which in turn destroys the dumber theory of Ghaybah?

I opened my Kafi and I knew that my best bet would be those comical chapters about the earth shattering without the presence of an Imam.

I found two chapters related to this each having 7 to 10 narrations, but unfortunately all of them were weak except 2 or 3, even these are mainly Hasan and Hasan Muwathaq and one is Sahih… anyway, here you go, these are authentic narrations from al-Kafi:

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مَنْصُورِ بْنِ يُونُسَ وَ سَعْدَانَ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ عَنْ إِسْحَاقَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ إِنَّ الْأَرْضَ لَا تَخْلُو إِلَّا وَ فِيهَا إِمَامٌ كَيْمَا إِنْ زَادَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ شَيْئاً رَدَّهُمْ وَ إِنْ نَقَصُوا شَيْئاً أَتَمَّهُ لَهُمْ

[…from Ishaq bin `Ammar from abi `Abdillah (as): I heard him say: “The earth will not be without an Imam, so that he may correct the believers if they add (to the religion) and if they miss something he would complete it for them.]

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى الْعَطَّارُ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ دَاوُدَ الرَّقِّيِّ عَنِ الْعَبْدِ الصَّالِحِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ إِنَّ الْحُجَّةَ لَا تَقُومُ لِلَّهِ عَلَى خَلْقِهِ إِلَّا بِإِمَامٍ حَتَّى يُعْرَفَ

[… from Dawud al-Raqqi from al-`Abd al-Salih (as): He said: “The Hujjah of Allah on his creation shall not be established except with an Imam so that he may be known.]

As the reader can see from their older inventions, before the Ghaybah issue messed up their plans, their authentic narrations were stating that THERE MUST BE AN IMAM WHO IS PRESENT AT ALL TIMES, not one who is hidden! Because the hidden one cannot explain the divine arguments of God so that his Hujjah be known nor can he correct the mistakes of the believers, as you can see the reason for the need of an Imam at ALL TIMES is to fulfill these purposes. However, the concept of having a hidden one contradicts this, so the intellect rejects the occultation as well as the texts, and since their entire charade is built on their weak “intellect” then it all falls apart once more.

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Contradictory Shia narrations regarding the successorship of Imam Reza by Ma’mun


The Shia narrations regarding the successorship of Imam Reza by Caliph Mamun contradict one another. The first report shows that Imam Reza was happy with it, and considered that Mamun did this out of good intentions and for the sake of Allah.

Shaykh Saduq records:

حدثنا الحاكم أبو علي الحسين بن أحمد البيهقي، قال حدثني محمد بن يحيى الصولي قال: حدثني أحمد بن محمد بن إسحاق قال: حدثنا أبي قال: لما بويع الرضا عليه السلام بالعهد اجتمع الناس إليه يهنئونه فأومى إليهم فانصتوا، ثم قال بعد أن استمع كلامهم: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمد لله الفعال لما يشاء لا معقب لحكمه ولا راد لقضائه (يعلم خائنة الأعين وما تخفي الصدور) وصلى الله على محمد في الأولين والآخرين وعلى آله الطيبين الطاهرين أقول وأنا علي بن موسى بن جعفر عليهما السلام: إن أمير المؤمنين عضده الله بالسداد ووفقه للرشاد عرف من حقنا ما جهله غيره، فوصل أرحاما قطعت وآمن نفوسا فزعت بل أحياها وقد تلفت وأغناها إذا افتقرت مبتغيا رضا رب العالمين لا يريد جزاء إلا من عنده (وسيجزي الله الشاكرين ولا يضيع أجر المحسنين) وأنه جعل إلي عهده والامرة الكبرى إن بقيت بعده فمن حل عقدة أمر الله تعالى بشدها وقصم عروة أحب الله إيثاقها فقد أباح حريمه وأحل محرمه إذا كان بذلك زاريا ( ١) على الامام منتهكا ( ٢) حرمة الاسلام، بذلك جرى السالف فصبر منه على الفلتات ولم يعترض بعدها على الغرمات خوفا على شتات الدين واضطراب حبل المسلمين ولقرب أمر الجاهلية ورصد المنافقين فرصة تنتهز وبائقة تبتدر وما أدري ما يفعل بي ولا بكم؟ أن الحكم إلا لله يقضي الحق

Al-Hakim Abu Ali Al-Hussein ibn Ahmad al-Bayhaqi narrated that Muhammad ibn Yahya al-Sowli quoted on the authority of Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ishaq, on the authority of his father, “When they pledged allegiance to Al-Reza (s), the people gathered around him and congratulated him. He made a gesture to them to become silent and after hearing their words, he said, ‘In the Name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Praise be to God who does whatever He wills. No one can object to His Decrees. No one can reject His Destiny. He knows whatever treason that lies in one’s heart from the sight and whatever is hidden in the hearts. May God’s Blessings be upon Muhammad, upon the first and the last creatures, upon his good and pure Household.’ He then added, ‘I am Ali ibn Musa ibn Ja’far. Indeed the Commander of the Faithful (Al-Ma’mun) – may God assist him in righteousness and make him successful in being rational – has recognized one of our rights which others were ignorant about. He has established ties of kinship which others have broken. He has granted security to people who lived in fear. He even revived them and rescued them from destruction. He enriched them when they were in need. He was seeking the pleasure of the Lord of the Two Worlds in doing all this. He did not ask anyone but Him to reward him. God will reward the ones who are grateful. He will not let the reward of the good-doers be forgotten. He turned over the succession to the throne to me. He has entrusted his great rule to me after him. And whoever breaks a contract that God has ordered to be safeguarded, and loosens ties which God likes to be tightened has indeed underestimated God’s Bounds, and has allowed what God has forbidden. In this way, he has denied the leader of his right and has disobeyed his orders. He has thus disrespected Islam as was done in the past. The Trustee (Ali ibn Abi Talib (s)) put up with all the instances of breaching of the covenants, and did not even object to those later when he was in power, fearing dispersion in the religion and turmoil in the ties which held the Muslims together. This was because the ideas of the Age of Ignorance were still in their minds and the hypocrites were on the watch to get a chance to create havoc. Now I do not know what is going to happen to me and you. Indeed there is no arbitrator but God. He is the only One who clarifies the truth. He is the best Separator.”

The following report contradicts it.

حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن محمد بن عمران الدقاق رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا محمد بن أبي عبد الله الكوفي عن محمد بن إسماعيل البرمكي عن محمد بن عرفة قال: قلت للرضا عليه السلام يا بن رسول الله ما حملك على الدخول في ولاية العهد؟ فقال: ما حمل جدي أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام على الدخول في الشورى

Ali ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Imran al-Daqqaq – may God be pleased with him – narrated that Muhammad ibn Abi Abdullah al-Kufi quoted on the authority of Muhammad ibn Isma’il al-Barmaki, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Arafat that he asked Al-Reza (s), “O son of the Prophet of God! What forced you to accept the succession to the throne?” The Imam (s) replied, “The same thing which forced my grandfather the Commander of the Faithful (s) to join the arbItraion council.”

Uyoon Akhbar al-Reza, by Shaykh Sadooq

Now if Imam Reza was definitely forced, to accept the successorship, why was he saying to the public that Mamun did this with good intentions and for the sake of Allah, and that he protected the ahlel bayt and gave them peace? Wasn’t he misguiding the people as well with these words, because when people would hear these words coming from the mouth of Imam Reza, they would definitely consider Mamun to be on the right path!

And the following report shows that Imam Reza didn’t want to be the successor because he considered himself incapable for the caliphate.

حدثنا أبو محمد الحسن بن يحيى العلوي الحسيني رضي الله عنه بمدينة السلام قال: أخبرني جدي يحيى الحسن بن جعفر بن عبيد الله بن الحسين قال حدثني موسى بن سلمة قال كنت بخراسان مع محمد بن جعفر، فسمعت أن ذا الرياستين الفضل بن سهل خرج ذات يوم وهو يقول: واعجبا لقد رأيت عجبا سلوني ما رأيت؟ فقالوا: ما رأيت أصلحك الله؟ قال: رأيت أمير المؤمنين يقول: لعلي بن موسى الرضا قد رأيت أن أقلدك أمر المسلمين وأفسخ ما في رقبتي وأجعله في رقبتك ورأيت علي بن موسى يقول له: الله الله لا طاقة لي بذلك ولا قوة فما رأيت خلافة قط كانت أضيع منها أمير المؤمنين يتفصى فيها ويعرضها على علي بن موسى وعلي بن موسى يرفضها ويأبى.

Abu Muhammad Al-Hassan ibn Yahya al-Alawi Al-Husseini – may God be pleased with him – narrated in Medina that his grandfather Yahya ibn Al-Hassan ibn Ja’far ibn Ubaydillah ibn Al-Hussein quoted on the authority of Musa ibn Salamat, “I was in the province of Khorasan with Muhammad ibn Ja’far. Then I heard that one day Thul-Riasatayn Al-Fadhl ibn Sahl came out and said, ‘I have dreamt something amazing. Ask me what I saw.’ They asked, ‘May God maintain your health! What did you dream?’ He said, ‘I dreamt that the Commander of the Faithful tell Ali ibn Musa Al-Reza (s), ‘I am planning to turn over the affairs of the Muslims to you, dismiss myself from the post of the Caliphate and put it on your shoulders.’ I saw that Ali ibn Musa (s) replied, ‘By God! I do not have the power to do this, nor do I have the strength.’ Fadhl added, ‘I had never seen the Caliphate more belittled than that. The Commander of the Faithful resigns and hands it over to Ali ibn Musa (s) , and Ali ibn Musa (s) turns him down and rejects it.’

Uyoon Akhbar al-Reza, by Shaykh Sadooq

Is Fadhl ibn Sahl mentioning a mere dream? The answer is , No. There is nothing like that in the Arabic text. The English translator added it himself, to show that this is the dream of Fadhl ibn Sahl. But the case is that , Fadhl ibn Sahl is narrating the incident which he saw. And nothing supports the idea that it is a dream.

So now, three different reports show three different pictures.

1. Imam Reza is happy with being made a successor.
2. Imam Reza is made a successor against his will.
3. Imam Reza doesn’t want to be made a successor because he considers himself incapable. 

By Kalaam
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Belief in Taqiyya of Shia Imams Means Anyone Can Say Anything

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

A well-known saying among the Salaf (due to Imam Abdullah ibn al Mubarak, if I recall correctly) is, roughly from memory“Isnad is part of the religion; if it were not for isnad, anyone could have said anything.”

Now, why exactly does isnad prevent people from saying anything they like?

Well, if someone claims they have a hadith, we ask them who they heard it from. If they say “X told me”, we can check what he narrates from X by comparing it to what other students of X have narrated. For example, if we know those other students were reliable, we can evaluate whether X is truthful or accurate by this comparison, and can even detect outright forgeries. Thus, requiring people to cite their sources means we have an independent check on their accuracy or truthfulness, because the sources they cite had other students whose narrations we can access.

A Hypothetical Example: So let’s say someone, call him “Zurarah”, narrates a hadith, and says he heard it from Imam Malik. We can then go and look at what well-known students of Imam Malik narrated from him. Suppose the narration of this hadith by Zurarah from Malik differs significantly from the narrations transmitted of the same hadith transmitted by other students. We suspect Zurarah of forgery, and we go to him and say “How come this hadith of yours differs so much from what all other students of Imam Malik related?” Zurarah stutters and stumbles, and is unable to give a convincing reply. So we grade him as “weak” or “forger”, and his narrations are not used as proof.

Now this sort of cross-checking of narrations is a well-known method. (It is mentioned in Ibn Salah’s standard book on the sciences of hadith, and there is an article in English by Ifitkhar Zaman that applies it to a hadith of Sad ibn Abu Waqqas may Allah be pleased with him.) In a community where this sort of cross-checking goes on, forgers will be deterred from their activities, because they know they can be easily found out.

So now we have a clear understanding of why it is that isnad prevents people from saying whatever they like; liars and forgers know too well that there are ways of checking on the accuracy of their reports.

But this common-sense approach breaks down in Shia communities in which people think that the Imams practice taqiyya when narrating hadiths or teaching religious rulings.

Why is this exactly? What difference does the belief in the taqiyya of the Imams make?

Well, if someone claims they have a hadith from an Imam of the Ahl ul Bayt, we can again check his hadith against what others have narrated from the same Imam. If he agrees with the other narrators, all well and good. But what if he disagrees with the other narrators? In that case, we can’t reject his narrations or suspect him of weakness; he may be inaccurate or a liar, or it may be that the Imam was engaging in taqiyya that time. Thus, the belief in the taqiyya of the Imams means we lose the ability to detect weak or forging narrators. 

To illustrate this, consider

Another Hypothetical Example. So let’s say someone, call him “Zurarah”, narrates a hadith, and says he heard it from Imam Jafar, and we think Imam Jafar regularly practises taqiyya. We can then go and look at what well-known students of Imam Jafar narrated from him. Suppose the narration of this hadith by Zurarah from Jafar differs significantly from the narrations transmitted of the same hadith transmitted by other students. We suspect Zurarah of forgery, and we go to him and say “How come this hadith of yours differs so much from what all other students of Imam Jafar related?” Zurarah grins smugly, and with a twinkle in his eye, confidently says “Well, Imam Jafar engaged in taqiyya with the others.” Because we think Imam Jafar does often engage in taqiyya, we are forced to admit that this is a possibility. We therefore can’t downgrade Zurarah, and his reputation remains intact.(Note that Zurarah’s excuse would never work with Imam Malik, because nobody thinks Malik ever thought it was permissible for him to lie in transmitting hadiths.)

It’s worth thinking about this carefully. In a community which believes in the taqiyya of the infallible Imams, even when teaching religion and not under immediate threat, people can make things up and attribute them to the Imams without having to worry about getting caught through others cross-checking their narrations.

Muslims feel proud that because of isnad, people can’t just say anything they like.

But not to worry! The Shias came up with a brilliant response. By promoting the belief that the Imams engage in taqiyya without being under immediate threat, and even while narrating hadiths or issuing fatwas, it once again became possible for anyone to say anything they like. 

And just like Muslims argue that “Isnad is part of the religion”, the Shias claim that “Taqiyya is nine-tenths of the religion.” 

By means of their belief in the taqiyya of the Imams, the Shias have removed a key deterrent to liars and forgers, and have once again made it easy for liars and forgers to spread falsehood.

And Allah knows best!

By HughSlaman (member of Islamic-Forum.net)
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