Daily Archives: December 19, 2010

Fatima[ra]: Burning of House & Bayah of Ali[ra]

Previously i just reading shia arguments against Umar[ra] & found the cheap trick by shia’s to deceive layman shia’s or sunni’s. Ofcourse shia followed his predecessor in this regard, hence he filled this with lies and deceptions.

Let me first give you some quote about shia ar-raafidah:

1. Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee and other Ulemaa stated that we should not narrate from the Raafidhah Shee’ah as they are amongst the liars.

2. Ibn Taymiyyah reported in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/59 -62):

وقال مؤمل بن إهاب سمعت يزيد بن هارون يقول يكتب عن كل صاحب بدعة إذا لم يكن داعية إلا الرافضة فإﻧﻬم يكذبون

Mu’mal Ibn Ihaab said: I heard Yazeed Bin Haaroon (d. 206H) saying,
“The narrations of every person of innovation can be written as long as he is not a caller to it, except the Raafidah, since they are liars.

3. Ibn Taymiyyah recorded in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/69):

قال أبو حاتم الرازي سمعت يونس بن عبد الأعلى يقول قال أشهب بن عبد العزيز سئل مالك عن الرافضة فقال لا تكلمهم ولا ترو عنهم فإﻧﻬم يكذبون وقال أبو حاتم حدثنا حرملة قال سمعت الشافعي يقول لم أر أحدا أشهد بالزور من الرافضة

“Aboo Haatim ar-Raazee (d.277H) said,

“I heard Yoonus bin ‘Abd al-A’laa saying: Ashhaab bin ‘Abdul’Azeez asked Maalik (d.179H) about the Raafidah, so he said, ”Do not speak to them and do not narrate from them, since they lie.
& many many quotes.

Shia always fabricate the story from non-authentic sunni sources, that Umar[ra] threatened to burn the house of Fatima[ra]!  & umar[ra] hit her with handle of sword and that resulted in abortion of son namely mohsin & then they beated Ali[ra] for allegiance [bayah].

& they use this sahih hadith from bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 546 as a support & combine it with non-authentic reports & as a whole they imply that what they [shia] portray is correct!

But the truth is that: Aisha (r.a) narrated what she knew. And she didn’t know that Ali (r.a) pledged allegiance in the very beginning. When people started to talk that he didn’t pledged allegiance, he came and did it second time to avoid fitnah & we have sahih hadith which clearly says Ali(ra) gave bayah to abu bakr(ra) on the very first day.

Here is the sunni hadith [sahih isnad but mursal hadith], which proves that umar[ra] neither attacked not threaten fatima[ra] but it shows that umar[ra] showed her merits, from mosanif ibn abi sheebah, vol 13,book maghazi, page 201,hadeeth 38061

حدثنا : محمد بن بشر ، نا : عبيد الله بن عمر ، حدثنا : زيد بن أسلم ، عن أبيه أسلم : أنه حين بويع لأبي بكر بعد رسول الله (ص) كان علي والزبير يدخلان على فاطمة بنت رسول الله (ص) فيشاورونها ويرتجعون في أمرهم ، فلما بلغ ذلك عمر بن الخطاب خرج حتى دخل على فاطمة ، فقال : يا بنت رسول الله (ص) ، والله ما من أحد أحب إلينا من أبيك ، وما من أحد أحب إلينا بعد أبيك منك ، وأيم الله ما ذاك بمانعي إن إجتمع هؤلاء النفر عندك ، أن أمرتهم أن يحرق عليهم البيت ، قال : فلما خرج عمر جاءوها فقالت : تعلمون أن عمر قد جاءني وقد حلف بالله لئن عدتم ليحرقن عليكم البيت وأيم الله ليمضين لما حلف عليه ، فإنصرفوا راشدين ، فروا رأيكم ولا ترجعوا إلي ، فإنصرفوا عنها فلم يرجعوا إليها حتى بايعوا لأبي بكر

This arabic statement ” أن يحرق عليهم البيت ” is the biggest shia trick to deceive the non-arabic members:

Muhammad ibn Bishr from Ubaydullah ibn Umar from Zayd ibn Aslam from his father Aslam [the mawla of Umar.]
When Abu Bakr received the pledges of allegiance after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and al-Zubayr used to enter the presence of Fatima the daughter of the Messenger of Allah and consult with her and hesitate in their allegiance. When news of this reached Umar ibn al-Khattab, he came out until he entered Fatima’s presence and said: Daughter of the Messenger of Allah, none in all creation was more dearly beloved to me than your father, and none is more beloved to us after him than you. However, by Allah, this shall not prevent me, if that group gathers in your house, to order that their house be set afire!” When Umar went out, they came and she said: “Do you know that `Umar came to me and swore by Allah that if you were to come back, he shall surely burn the door with you inside! By Allah, he shall certainly fulfill what he swore, so go away in peace, flee from your opinion, and do not come back to see me.” They left her and did not return to see her until they pledged their allegiance to Abu Bakr.”

Points to note:

1. Ameer al-Mu‘mineen Omar bin al-Khattab[ra] showed the rank of Fatima[ra] by saying she was most beloved to the people and him after her father.

2. Omar[ra] did not threaten Fatima[ra], but warned her about those gathering in her house. This can be seen by the statement ‘Alaihim’ and not ‘Alaikum’ in the statement ” أن يحرق عليهم البيت ” “if that group gathers in your house, to order that their house be set afire”.

Comment: But shia play the game with arabic because they are jahil persians.

Now the second problem arises for shia’s is that Ali(ra) gave his own daughter to Umar(ra) in nikah & even shia have sahih hadiths on that, as discussed here & here.

Then after this, they will show you this:

Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: “By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire.” al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him.”
– Tarikh Tabari Volume 9 page 187

Chain of Transmission:
Mohammed Ibn Humayd: the source of a significant portion of Tarikh Tabari; Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Mo’een and Ibn Jarir Tabari considered him trustworthy, although the like of Dhahabi disagreed with that (refer to Mizan al I’tidaal)
Jarir: Ahmed Ibn Hanbal narrated from him in his Musnad, as did Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi
Mugheera: “Scholar, trusted in hadith, wise” Tahtheeb al-Tahtheeb Volume 10 Page 270 #482.
Nisaii likewise trusted him.
Ziyad Ibn Kulayb: Mizan al I’tidaal by Dhahabi, Volume 2 #798 – Nisaii said he was thiqah (trustworthy) as did Ibn Hajar and Ibn Haban

But the problem is that the narration from Tarikh Tabari. It comes via chain:

ابن حميد قال حدثنا جرير عن مغيرة عن زياد بن كليب

There are several problems in this chain.

1) Ibn Humayd: Razi said
He mixes asnaad (chain of narrations) and matan (text) of narrations (دخلت على محمد بن حميد وهو يركب الأسانيد على المتون)

Nasai said:
He is not trustworthy (ليس بثقة)

Asadi said:
ما رايت احدا احذق بالكذب من رجلين: سليمان بن الشاذكوني، ومحمد بن حميد الرازي
I have never seen a natural liar, except for two persons: Sulaymân ash-Shâdhakûnî and Muhammad ibn Humayd ar-Razi. 22

Al Iraqi said
He is one of the liars (هو أحد الكذابين)

Jozjani said
He is not trustworthy (غير ثقة)


2) Jarir ibn Hazim was thiqat, but he got confused in the end of his life. Abdurrahman ibn Mahdi noted that no one heard from him in that time (Abu Saeed al-Alai “al-Mukhtalitin” №8) Ibn Hajar said that he has errs when narrated from his memory. (Taqrib).

3) Mughira ibn Muqsim made tadlis, as he was described by Nasai, and this hadith he reported in muanan form.

4) Ziyad ibn Kulaib Abu Muashar al-Kufi. He was thiqat, but he wasn’t companion. In “Tahzib al-kamal” written the he died in 110 or 119 hijri. Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) died in 11 hijri. So this ibn Kulaib very unlikely was a eye witness of that alleged forced bayah to Abu Bakr (r.a).

So the hadith is weak & disconnected & has the gap of around 100yrs in between the incident.

We have sahih reports that all sahaba’s[ra] gave bayah to abu bakr[ra] at that time.

1. وقد اتفق الصحابة رضي الله عنهم على بيعة الصديق في ذلك الوقت، حتى علي بن أبي طالب والزبير بن العوام رضي الله عنهما

all the sahaba (may Allah be pleased with them) gave allegiance to (abu bakr) siddique[ra] at the time, even ali and zubair bin al awam (may Allah be pleased with them)

than he gives many narration as a proof, one of which is as below:

وروينا من طريق المحاملي عن القاسم بن سعيد بن المسيب عن علي بن عاصم عن الحريري عن أبي نصرة عن أبي سعيد فذكره مثله في مبايعة علي والزبير رضي الله عنهما يومئذ

and this narration reached us through Muhamili, from qasim bin saeed bin musaib , from ali bin asim, from al hariri, from abu nazra , from abu saeed al khudri, similar to what mentioned earlier , that ali and zubair rendered allegiance on the same day

Source: al bidaya volume 6 page 302

2. Sahih hadith by Abu Sa’eed al Khudri (RA) that Ali (RA) gave Baya’ah immediatly to Abu bakr al Siddiq (RA):

فعن أبى سعيد الخدري- رضي الله عنه- قال قبض رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم واجتمع الناس في دار سعد بن عبادة وفيهم أبو بكر وعمر قال فقام خطيب الأنصار فقال أتعلمون أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان من المهاجرين وخليفته من المهاجرين ونحن كنا أنصار رسول الله ونحن أنصار خليفته كما كنا أنصاره قال فقام عمر بن الخطاب فقال صدق قائلكم أما لو قلتم على غير هذا لم نبايعكم وأخذ بيد أبي بكر وقال هذا صاحبكم فبايعوه فبايعه عمر وبايعه المهاجرون والأنصار قال فصعد أبو بكر المنبر فنظر في وجوه القوم فلم ير الزبير قال فدعا بالزبير فجاء فقال قلت ابن عمة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وحواريه أردت أن تشق عصا المسلمين فقال لا تثريب يا خليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقام فبايعه ثم نظر في وجوه القوم فلم ير عليا فدعا بعلي بن أبي طالب فجاء فقال قلت ابن عم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وختنه على ابنته أردت أن تشق عصا المسلمين قال لا تثريب يا خليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فبايعه.

Abu Sa’eed al Khudri may Allah be pleased with him said: When the Prophet’s PBUH soul passed away and when the people gathered at the place of Sa’ad bin Umbadah and amongst them were Abu bakr and Umar, a Khatib from the Ansar(Supporters) spoke: “You know that the Prophet of Allah PBUH was from the Mouhajirun(immigrants) and his Caliph must also be from the Mouhajirun, we were the Ansar of the Prophet PBUH and we will be the Ansar of his Caliph just as we were his Ansar”. then Umar bin al Khattab stood up and said “This Man from amongst the Ansar speaks truth and if it were anything other than this then we would not give you a baya’ah(Pledge of allegiance)” then he grabbed the hand of Abu bakr and said: “this is your Close companion so give him Baya’ah” then Umar and the Mouhajirun and the Ansar all gave him Baya’ah. Abu bakr stood on the Mimbar and he looked at the faces of all the people there but he never saw al Zubair so he called for him and and he came so he told him: “O son of the Prophet’s PBUH aunt and his disciple would you want to split the cause of the Muslims?” Zubair said: “Not at all O Caliph of the Prophet of Allah” then he stood and gave him Baya’ah, Then he looked at the faces of the people but did not spot Ali so he called for Ali bin abi Talib and he came to him so he said: “O cousin of the prophet of Allah and the husband of his daughter would you want to split the cause of the Muslims?” So Ali replied: “Not at all O Caliph of the Prophet of Allah” then he stood and gave him Baya’ah.

-Mujama’a al Zawa’ed (5/183) with its Rijal being those of the SAHIH.
-Al Bidayah wal nihayah (5/281) with its Isnad being Thabit and SAHIH.
-Al Mustadrak (3/76) and al Sunan al Kubrah (8/143) with two SAHIH Isnads.

Imam Muslim bin al Hajjaj (Author of Sahih muslim) and Imam al hafiz Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Khuzaymah (Author of Sahih Ibn Khuzaymah) and Imam Ibn Katheer all talked about the importance of this Sahih narration.

3. رواية حبيب بن أبي ثابت، حيث قال: كان علي بن أبي طالب في بيته، فأتاه رجل، فقال له:
قد جلس أبو بكر للبيعة، فخرج عليّ إلى المسجد في قميص له، ما عليه إزار ولا رداء، وهو متعجِّل، كراهة أن يبطئ عن البيعة، فبايع أبا بكر، ثم جلس، وبعث إلى ردائه فجاؤوه به، فلبسه فوق قميصه

this narration agrees with the Sahih narration above:

In the Hadith of Habib bin abu Thabit: Ali bin Abu talib was in his house then a Man came to him and told him “Abu Bakr has gotten ready for the Baya’ah” So Ali went out to the mosque wearing only his Qamis without a Izar or a Ridaa and he was hasty because he hated to be late for the Baya’ah, then he gave the Baya’ah to Abu bakr and sat down and later asked for his Ridaa so it was brought for him and he wore it on top of his Qamis.

source: Tareekh al tabari 3/207, the Sanad is Mursal, it contains Seif bin Umar and he is weak and it contains Abdul Aziz bin Siyah who is trustworthy but is a Shia.

4. قال على رضي الله عنه والزبير: «ما غضبنا إلا لأنا قد أخرنا عن المشاورة، وأنا نرى أبا بكر أحق الناس بها بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، إنه لصاحب الغار، وثاني اثنين، وإنا لنعلم بشرفه، وكبره، ولقد أمره رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بالصلاة بالناس وهو حي»

Ali and al Zubair were asked about the Baya’ah and they said: “We were only angry because we were late for the consultation, we see Abu Bakr as the most deserving of the people to this position after the Apostle of Allah PBUH, he is the companion in the cave and the second of the two and we know of his honour and rank, The prophet PBUh had ordered him to lead the people in prayer while he was alive”.

sources: Al Bidayah wal nihayah (6/341), Khilafat Abu Bakr p67, Isnad is Good.

5. عن قيس العبدي قال: «شهدت خطبة على يوم البصرة قال: فحمد الله وأثنى عليه وذكر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وما عالج من الناس، ثم قبضه الله عز وجل إليه، ثم رأى المسلمون أن يستخلفوا أبا بكر- رضي الله عنه – فبايعوا وعاهدوا وسلموا، وبايعت وعاهدت وسلمت، ورضوا ورضيت، وفعل من الخير وجاهد حتى قبضه الله عز وجل، رحمة الله عليه»

Narrated Qays bin al Abdi: I Witnesses the Sermon of Ali on the Day of Basarah, he said: ” He praised Allah and thanked him and he mentioned the Prophet PBUH and his sacrifice to the people, then Allah swt took his soul, Then the Muslims saw that they should give the Caliphate to Abu bakr (RA) so they pledged their allegiance and made their promise of loyalty, and I gave my pledge and I promised him my loyalty, They were pleased and so was I. He(Abu Bakr) did good deeds and made Jihad until Allah took his soul may Allah have mercy on him.”

السنة، عبد الله بن أحمد (2/563) رجال الإسناد ثقات.

Al Sunnah for Abdullah bin Ahmad (2/563) The Narrators are all trustworthy. So hadith is authentic.

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