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Accuracy in judging narrators – Sunnah vs Shia

al-Salamu `Aleykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuhu,

The reliability or should I say quality of the narrator, reflects the quality and reliability of the report. The Muslims take their religion and their beliefs from the various books of Hadith which they deem reliable and popular and authoritative, these books contain many reports, some reports contradict other reports, some are un-Islamic beliefs, some are fabrications and lies, some are authentic and correct, others correct in meaning but not accurate in text and so on and so forth…

The most reliable of texts reaches us through the most correct of chains in the utmost of accuracy. The text that reaches us through the clearest and purest chain is more worthy of being followed than the other texts.

We take the example of three narrations that we made up, so we can better explain this:

Narration #1:
`Amr (Great reliable scholar) from Zayd (Firm reliable and popular) from Qays (Reliable):
“The Muslims defeated the Persians after three days, then chanted: Truly victory is only from Allah.”

Narration #2:
Wahb (Trusted) from `Ali (Honest makes mistakes) from Qays (Reliable):
“The Muslims chanted: Victory comes from Allah, After they defeated the Persians on the second day.”

Narration #3:
Sa`eed (Trusted with bad memory) from Sahl (Reliable Mudallis) from `Umar (Acceptable):
“The Muslims defeated the Persians after three weeks of brutal fighting then chanted: Ya `Ali Madad.”

Judging the Narrators and Narrations:

#1 All three narrators are reliable, meaning “Thiqah” which is the highest form of praise for a narrator’s quality in Hadith. The text of this narration is of the utmost in reliability.

#2 Wahb is Saduq, meaning trustworthy but does not excel in the art of narrating, `Ali is honest so he wouldn’t lie but he makes mistakes in narrating, the third narrator is Qays, the same man in the first narration and he is Thiqah reliable. The text of this narration is good, it is “Hasan”, and the only difference between it and the first is the number of days, the first narration gets priority as it is more reliable.

#3 Sa`eed is trusted but has bad memory, this can affect his texts. Sahl is reliable in and of himself but may make Tadlees, meaning he may not have actually heard this narration from `Umar. `Umar as a narrator is barely acceptable, he doesn’t lie, but he isn’t reliable either. The text of the narration appears completely different, the period of 2-3 days is suddenly stretched to two weeks! and the Du`a or chant at the end is Munkar, it opposes the others and opposes Islamic creed, this text is completely un-acceptable although none of the narrators are “liars” or “unknown” or even “weak”.

This is a very small and primitive example to show how the quality of narrators is reflected on the quality of texts, how judging each narrator’s reliability and firmness in Hadith is key when comparing different religious and historical reports to reach the final conclusion as to what exactly happened in the event we research.

This science is applied by Ahlul-Sunnah with excellence as they perfected it, it is used to better understand the narrations and to extract the authentic religious rulings and historical information after filtering out all the lies, the mistakes, the fabrications, the exaggerations and the inaccuracies which distort the texts.

The Shia on the other hand by trying to mimic Ahlul-Sunnah, they tried to do the same. However, due to their negligence and ignorance and extremism, they avoided these sciences and believed in whatever they wished, and now when faced with the criticism of the opponents, they try to shovel the calamities they recorded in their books, they try to bury the mistakes and reconcile the contradictions while failing to explain many of the major conflicts in their `Aqeedah. Success was not on their side and Success is only from Allah.

There are plenty of ways to illustrate this deficiency in the Shia Madhab and prove academically the success and great victory for Ahlul-Sunnah. I’ve read more than one study on this subject by Arab students of knowledge, each more informative than the other, each illustrating with clear evidence the weakness of the Shia sources, we even started a draft for a similar study comparing the main Hadithi sources the Shia Kafi vs the Sunni Bukhari, but we have no yet published it in its entirety. This day, I chose another way to do it, a way that I expect to be InshaAllah easy to accomplish but strong in its conclusions.

The plan is to show how Ahlul-Sunnah took great care when it came to judging their narrators and recording everything to do with their ability to narrate as opposed to the Shia who either give the man a thumbs up or a thumbs down.

In the science of Ahlul-Sunnah, a narrator could be weak in a way that his narrations are abandoned altogether, he could be weak but his narrations are written, he could be slightly weak but strengthened with follow-ups or Mutaba`at, he could be trustworthy but with a bad memory, or reliable but got confused at the end of his life, and we are able to distinguish who heard from him before or after his confusion, a narrator could be reliable when narrating from some men but weak when narrating from others, a narrator could be reliable when narrating from his own books but weak after he lost his books when narrating from memory, a narrator could be reliable and he could have lived in the time of another reliable narrator but we know that they never met so their narration from each-other is weak, a narrator could be reliable but attributes narrations to those whom he never met, a narrator could be an innovator so whatever he exclusively narrates to support his innovation is rejected, a narrator could be honest but not very reliable in narration, a narrator could be trustworthy but makes mistakes every now and then, a narrator could be knowledgeable about the narrations and narrators of Kufa more than those of al-Sham, a narrator could have lived in the time of another but was too young to narrate from him without a middle man, a narrator could be a liar or one who is accused of lies or fabrication and so on and so forth…

In the science of the Imamiyyah, we observe that there is no attention whatsoever to all the above, the case is usually that either they consider a man Thiqah (reliable) or Majhoul (unknown), it’s as if they just have a stamp and they stamp it on the forehead of every man like robots. The dates of birth and death are not recorded for the vast majority of their narrators which is problematic for the connectivity of the narrators, there is no information on who a man’s teachers are, any narrator can attribute anything to any other man. In fact the huge number of unknown narrators makes it obvious that unlike Ahlul-Sunnah, the Imamiyyah took their narrations from random Koufans and Qummies, most of which aren’t Imams or scholars or Huffaz, just grocers and blacksmiths and merchants and other individuals from that society. Another issue is that they invented rules to make Tawtheeq or authenticate unknown individuals, such as authenticating anyone al-Saduq praised or anyone in the chains of Tafseer al-Qummi and so on and so forth…

So how can we quickly compare? The books of Rijal are huge and complicated, especially those of Ahlul-Sunnah?

The answer is simple, pick a reliable book from each school that summarizes the matter.

1- Ahlul-Sunnah wal-Jama`ah:

Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani al-Shafi`i has a good small Rijali summary called Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, in this book he mainly sums up the condition of the narrators of al-Imam al-Mezzi’s book Tahdheeb al-Kamal. al-Mezzi’s book contains the names of all the narrators from the six Sunni main books plus a lot of others that al-Mezzi decided to include as well, sadly it doesn’t contain the names of many other Sunni narrators.

2- Imamiyyah Ithna `Ashariyyah:

Shaykh al-Jawahiri wrote a summary called al-Mufeed min Mu`jam Rijal al-Hadith, this book sums up the opinions of al-Khu’i in his Mu`jam Rijal al-Hadith. al-Khu’i wrote his encyclopedia to collect all the Shia narrators and document what the early Shia Rijalists said concerning each man.

Method of this comparative study:

The two books we mentioned, although they’re summaries, yet they’re still quite big and going through each book from beginning to end is very time consuming. I thought of the easiest and quickest way to reach the results without sacrificing much in the accuracy of the study and without ending up with a big error margin as that would be a waste of my time.

What I decided in the end, was to use the computer and the software as this would make the search automated and thus much quicker. How would I do this? Well as the readers know, each of the authors lists a number, then lists the name of the narrator, and next to this he states whether the man was Thiqah or Hasan-ul-Hadith or Da`eef or Majhoul etc… So I would write the word “Thiqah” in the search engine and it would give me the number of times the author ruled on the Wathaqah of a narrator. Now you ask, well this isn’t very accurate, we know for example that the Shia usually praise some of their narrators by saying “Thiqah Thiqah”, this would be counted twice for one single man! I say, this is true, the goal was never to be 100% accurate, I believe the difference will be so huge between both, and the result will be so clear, that such small exceptional cases would not affect the study, the error margin wouldn’t be more than 3 to 6% per-my estimation, the proof is that those described as “Thiqah Thiqah” in al-Mufeed are only about 43 individuals out of around 15,678 narrators in the book, hardly 0.2%.

The Sunni book is going to be much much harder, since there are many more terms, the author does not work in binary of Thiqah or Majhoul, so it’s tricky and I need to place much more of an effort to write its resulsts.

With this said, InshaAllah and Bismillah we begin,

The Results:

NOTE: These are all not 100% accurate, so keep this in mind since I don’t want to keep repeating “around this or that much” I’ll abbreviate it with Tilde “~”.

1- The Sunni book of Rijal, al-Taqreeb li-ibn Hajar:

Published by Dar al-Rasheed, Syria.
Total number of Rijal: Around 8,826 men.

There are many terms used to described narrators in the science of Ahlul-Sunnah, the matter isn’t restricted to Thiqah vs Majhoul like the Shia book, so I’ll just select a few common ones.

Thiqah Thabt (ثقة ثبت) are ~ 137
Thiqah (ثقة) are ~ 2,304
Saduq (صدوق) are ~ 1,833
Maqboul (مقبول) are ~ 1,522
Layyin (لين) are ~ 211
Da`eef (ضعيف) are ~ 423
Matrouk (متروك) are ~ 145
Mastour (مستور) are ~ 157
La Yu`raf (لا يعرف) are ~ 75
Majhoul (مجهول) are ~ 785

There are many other terms which we did not write such as Thiqah Mutqin or Laysa bil-Qawi or Lahu Awham or Katheer al-Khata’ etc… but these are enough to give us a clear image of what the situation is. Obviously the terms of praise range from Sahabi or Lahu Suhbah, to Imam Hafiz or Thiqah Jaleel, or Thabt and these indicate the highest forms of reliability, followed by Thiqah and it is for the reliable narrator, then Saduq or Hasan or Salih al-Hadith for the trusted narrators who aren’t renowned reliable Muhadditheen. Then terms of weakness such as “Maqboul” and he is the one whose narrations are barely acceptable, and the “Layyin” whose weakness isn’t much, and Shadeed al-Du`f or Munkar al-Hadith or Matrouk for those of extreme weakness, then after that come terms such as the “Mouttahameen” those accused of fabricating, then the Kazzab and Wadda` for fabricators and liars, and then the Mastour and Majhoul and La Yu`raf for those whose identities are not known or those whose condition is not known and so on…

Based on the simplified list above, we see that the matter isn’t as black and white as we find in the Shia books, the author seems to have accurately placed each man in his rightful position, we find the weakness of narrators classed into several levels and so is their strength, making the process of grading Hadith deeper and richer.

2- The Shia book of Rijal, al-Mufeed lil-Jawahiri:

Published by Mahillati, Iran.
Total number of Rijal: Around 14,194 men. (After subtracting the term: Muttahid Ma` to reduce repetition)

Thiqatun-Thiqah (ثقة ثقة) are ~ 40.
Thiqah-`Ayn (ثقة عين) are ~ 43.
Thiqah (ثقة) are ~ 1,346.
Saduq (صدوق) are ~ 12.
Da`eef (ضعيف) are ~ 234.
Majhoul (مجهول) are ~ 8,054.
Majhoulah (مجهولة) are ~ 87.

The number of the above does not reach the total because many narrators were not judged, the author says that so and so met the Mahdi or was praised by so and so, but they don’t have a clear ruling on them, in this case they’d be Majaheel (unknowns), and many others are simply repetitions of the same person. There are also some other terms such as “Mamdouh” (praised) and Madhmoum (criticized) and Mal`oun (cursed) which are small in number so no use collecting them.

As the reader can see, there is a great unbalance taking place here, the vast majority are either Majhoul or Thiqah. Thiqatun Thiqah is the strongest praise but is very rare. Thiqah and Thiqah `Ayn are technically the same thing. Saduq or trustworthy is the rarest which exposes a deep problem in how they judge narrators and their Dhabt. There are a few weak narrators, but stumbling upon one would be unlikely. The Majaheel whether male or female are abundant, they make up the vast majority. There are about thirty or so narrators that are “praised” which is another form of Majhoul, another thirty or forty are criticized by the Imams or cursed.

– end –

Give me your comments please, especially those who are into Hadith sciences.

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Narrations of Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib & his progeny in Sunni books

Praise be to God I was one of the first to download this MAJOR book by the respect brother Faysal Noor.

الرد الجلي على شبهة عدم رواية أهل السنة عن آل علي
al-Radd al-Jalee `ala Shubhat `Adam Riwayat Ahlul-Sunnah `an Aal-`Ali
“The manifest answer to the doubt of Ahlul-Sunnah not narrating from the family of `Ali”

This is a 5,562 pages book of Hadith that contains ONLY narrations from `Ali’s (ra) family and his progeny, from the classical books of Ahlul-Sunnah.

The following members may Allah have mercy on them are included:

-`Ali ibn abi Talib.
-Fatima bint Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAWS).
-al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-`Ali Zayn al-`Abideen.
-Muhammad al-Baqir.
-Ja`far al-Sadiq.
-Muhamamd ibn al-Hanafiyyah.
-`Umar bin `Ali bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Fatima bint `Ali bin abi Talib.
-al-Hassan bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-al-Hassan bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Fatima bint al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-`Abdullah bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Zayd bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Muhammad bin `Umar bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-`Umar bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Ibrahim bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-`Abdullah bin al-Hassan bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Ibrahim bin al-Hassan bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Zayd bin Ja`far bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin Muhammad bin Ja`far bin `Isa bin `Ali bin al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-al-Hussayn bin Zayd bin `Ali bin al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-`Umar bin `Ali bin al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Musa bin Ja`far bin Muhammad bin `Ali bin al-Hussayn bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
-Muhammad bin `Amro bin al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib.
and apparently others…

The total of narrations of Ahlul-Bayt in the classical books of Ahlul-Sunnah is around 25,713 narrations.

NOTES: The author does not take into consideration: Authenticity, repetition or abrogation as the goal is simply to collect all narrations from the family of `Ali (ra) [Not the family of the Prophet (SAWS) as that would include many other companions].

DOWNLOAD LINK: http://www.fnoor.com/main/articles.aspx?article_no=8106#.Vj_a2164nEY

==> Update 09/04/2013

I still haven’t browsed through it thoroughly to know if they are Ahadith Marfu`ah to the Prophet (SAWS), or Athar from Ahlul-Bayt? or Both? I think it’s both… so,

`Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) = 15,266 narrations.
Fatima bint al-Rassul (SAWS) = 260 narrations.
al-Hassan ibn `Ali (ra) = 715 narrations.
al-Hussayn ibn `Ali (ra) = 589 narrations.
`Ali bin al-Hussayn (rah) = 1,228 narrations.
Muhammad bin `Ali (rah) = 2,953 narrations.
Ja`far bin Muhammad (rah) = 2,030 narrations.
Zayd bin `Ali bin al-Hussayn (rah) = 107 narrations.

Either-way, you can download it and see, it’s 13 volumes.

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Analysis of narrations quoted in Shi’ite Encyclopedia

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

By Muhammad Moin
Posted by 13S2010

 Brief Introduction

All praises due to Allah, and May His peace and blessings be upon His Last and Final Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and companions.

Shia Encyclopedia has great fame among Shias so called internet debaters. They rely on this online encyclopedia assuming it to be a great research. But the fact is this work is full of weak and fabricated narrations. This Takhreej is a small effort to analyze the authenticity of narrations present outside the two Sahih.

Notes: –

  • This Takhreej does not include those narrations which are in any of the two Sahih Books.
  • Normally while describing the Isnad I end up with the name of Sahabi without mentioning whether it is Marfoo’ or Mawqoof. In these cases the Isnad would be Marfoo’ from Prophet (SAW), except if I made it clear that it is Mawqoof.

In many cases I do not discuss the narrator in detail. That is due to the ruling being so clear regarding him, or it may be that I have discussed it at some other place.

===> Start reading here

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Making Salam on females or Not? Infallible Imam contradicts

Making Salam on females or Not making Salam on females – infallible Imam contradicts with the Prophet (saw) and Ali (ra).

Article by Hani (aka TripolySunni)
Posted by 13S2010

al-Salamu ‘Aleykum,

Two Hadiths in al-Kafi vol.5 pg.535:

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ يَحْيَى عَنْ غِيَاثِ بْنِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) أَنَّهُ قَالَ لَا تُسَلِّمْ عَلَى الْمَرْأَةِ .

Muhammad bin Yahya from Ahmad bin Muhammad from Muhammad bin Yahya from Ghiyath bin Ibrahim from abu ‘Abdullah (as): “Do not make Salam on the woman.”

Majlisi said: Muwaththaq 20/374, Behbudi said: Sahih 3/79.

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ رِبْعِيِّ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) يُسَلِّمُ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ وَ يَرْدُدْنَ عَلَيْهِ وَ كَانَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ( عليه السلام ) يُسَلِّمُ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ وَ كَانَ يَكْرَهُ أَنْ يُسَلِّمَ عَلَى الشَّابَّةِ مِنْهُنَّ وَ يَقُولُ أَتَخَوَّفُ أَنْ يُعْجِبَنِي صَوْتُهَا فَيَدْخُلَ عَلَيَّ أَكْثَرُ مِمَّا طَلَبْتُ مِنَ الْأَجْرِ .

‘Ali bin Ibrahim from his father Ibrahim bin Hashim from Hamad bin ‘Isa from Rib’i bin ‘Abdullah from abu ‘Abdullah (as): The Prophet (SAWS) used to make Salam on the women and they used to return it, and Ameer al-Mumineen ‘Ali (as) used to make Salam on the women but hated to make it on the young teenage women, he used to say: “I fear that I may like her voice, so I would end up with more than just the reward(of making Salam).”

Majlisi said “Hasan” because of Ibn Hashim 20/374.


He meant he would end up falling in love with her, although he’s infallible, either way both of them contradict each-other.

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Shia infallible Imam back to the future

Shia Imam back to the future – a failed fabrication

Article by Hani (aka TripolySunni)
Posted by 13S2010

al-Salamu ‘Aleykum,

They lie and lie and lie, and they make fatal mistakes and this is one of them because the man who invented this lie was not as bright as he thought he was…still it’s a good example of Persian Shia hatred:

نفس الرحمن في فضائل سلمان –
ميرزا حسين النوري الطبرسي- (لع) – الصفحة ٦٣٦

ورأيت في بعض المواضع المعتبرة ما صورته: (روى شيخ الطائفة في كتاب كشف الحق بسنده مرفوعا عن أبي بصير قال: حججت مع أبي عبد الله عليه السلام حتى إذا زار قبر جده صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم بالمدينة وزرنا معه، فقال له رجل من بني يقظان: يا بن رسول الله! إنهم يزعمون أنهم يزورون أبا بكر وعمر في هذه القبة!؟ فقال عليه السلام: مه يا أخا يقظان، إنهم كذبوا فوالله لو نبش قبرهما لوجد في مكانهما سلمان وأبو ذر، فوالله إنهما أحق بهذا الموضع من غيرهما، قال أبو بصير: فقلت: يا بن رسول الله! كيف يكون انتقال الميت ووضع آخر مكانه؟ فقال عليه السلام: يا أبا محمد! إن الله عز وجل خلق سبعين ألف ملك يقال لهم: النقالة، ينتشرون في مشارق الأرض ومغاربها، فيأخذون أموات العباد ويدفنون كلا منهم مكانا يستحقه، وأنهم يسلبون جسد الميت عن نعشه ويضعون آخر مكانه من حيث لا يدرون ولا يشعرون وما ذلك ببعيد وما الله بظلام للعبيد، وروى هذا الحديث في فوائد الفوائد، وذكره أيضا ابن طاووس في وصايا إلى آخر ما نقله بلفظه كما رأيته – انتهى).

“Nafs-ul-Rahman fi Fadael Salman” al-Mirza Hussein Muhammad Taqi al-Noori al-Tabrasi (d. 1320 AH), pg.636:

[And I saw in respectable recognized locations: Sheikh al-Taefa (al-Tusi d. 460 AH) reported in the book “Kashf al-Haqq” with its Isnad which is Marfu’u from abu Baseer who said: I made pilgrimage with abu ‘Abdullah (as) and when he visited his grandfather’s (SAWS) grave in Madinah, we visited with him, a man from bani Yaqthan said: “O son of Rassul-Allah (SAWS)! they(Sunnies) claim that they visit the graves of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar in this Dome!?” He (as) said: “O brother from Yaqthan, they lie, by Allah if they dig up the two graves they would find instead Salman and abu Dharr, by Allah they have more right to this position than anyone else.” abu Baseer said: I said: “O son of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), how can one dead be replace by another?” Ja’far (as) said: “O abu Baseer, Allah has created seventy thousand angels called: al-Naqqalah (the movers), they are dispersed in the east and the west …]


It is a historical fact that the DOME or al-Qubbah on top of the honored grave was built in the time of King Qalawoon al-Salihi in the year 678 after-Hijrah, there was no “dome” before this, so how can Ja’far (rah) visit it when he died in the year 148 after-Hijrah???

Can this be explained as anything other than Persan Majoosi hatred for the Sahaba (ra) who destroyed their empire of Kufr?

Another matter is that the “infallible” says that Salman (ra) and abu Dharr (ra) were more deserving of this position than anyone else, and he meant Abu Bakr (ra) and ‘Umar (a)… does this mean they were more deserving than ‘Ali (ra) and Fatima (ra) and Hassan (ra) and Hussein (ra)!? Why didn’t the 70,000 “mover angels” move their bodies next to the prophet (SAWS)!?

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