Did Umar[ra] ran away from battle of Uhud


The Shia will say that ‘Umar (ra) ran away from the battle of Uhud and they will present the following proofs usually (because there aren’t any other proofs):

حدثنا : أبو هشام الرفاعي ، قال : ، ثنا : أبوبكر بن عياش ، قال : ، ثنا : عاصم بن كليب ، عن أبيه ، قال : خطب عمر يوم الجمعة ، فقرأ : آل عمران ، وكان يعجبه إذا خطب أن يقرأها ، فلما إنتهى إلى قوله : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان ، قال : لما كان يوم أحد هزمناهم ، ففررت حتى صعدت الجبل ، فلقد رأيتني أنزو كأنني أروى ، والناس يقولون : قتل محمد ! فقلت : لا أجد أحداًً يقول قتل محمد إلاّ قتلته ، حتى إجتمعنا على الجبل ، فنزلت : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان

From ibn Jarir al-Tabari in Jami’i al-Bayan 4/193:

Abu Hisham al-Rifa’ee said: Abu Bakr ibn ‘Ayyash said: ‘Issam ibn Kulaib from his Father: ‘Umar made a sermon on Friday so he read Surat aal-‘Imran and he liked to recite it when he made his sermons and when he ended on “Indeed, those of you who turned back on the day the two armies met” He said: On the day of Uhud we defeated them so I fled and climbed the mountain … (until the end of the narration).

Hadith grading: Abu Hisham ibn Yazeed al-Rifa’ee al-Kufi is weak by consensus of the scholars of Hadith, so this narration is extremely weak.

The second narration is that of Ibn Hisham al-Hamiree in Seerat al-Nabi 2/281:

قال الراوي : قال إبن هشام : وكان ضرار لحق عمر بن الخطاب يوم أحد ، فجعل يضربه بعرض الرمح ويقول : إنج يابن الخطاب لا أقتلك !! فكان عمر يعرفها له بعد إسلامه.

Ibn Hisham said: and Dirar pursued ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab on the day of Uhud and he began hitting him with the bottom of the spear…(until the end)

Hadith grading: Between Ibn Hisham and the battle of Uhud are fifty years so this narration is Mursal and weak and it doesn’t mention him running away.

These are pretty much the only narrations that mention anything about ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra), the same two narrations are found in several books so they’re just being repeated.

for example the Shia they’ll quote from al-Dhurr al-Manthur by al-Suyuti and make it sound as if it’s a different narration whereas in reality this is the exact same narration of ibn Jarir al-Tabari, or they might quote it from Kanzul-‘Ummal by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and say that this is a different source whereas in reality al-Hindi quoted it from al-Suyuti who in turn quoted it from Ibn Jarir with the exact same weak Sanad.

Other things which the Shia might use:

-They might use the narration of Ibn Katheer in al-Seerah al-Nabawiyah who took it from al-Beihaqi with its Isnad from ‘Ammar from Abi al-Zubair from Jabir and this narration doesn’t even mention ‘Umar (ra) so it’s useless.

-They might use the saying of al-Fakhr al-Razi who is an Asha’ari in his Tafseer and his saying is not backed by any proof from the Quran or the Ahadith so it’s useless.

-They might quote the saying of an Orientalist called Marsden Jones who commented on the book al-Maghazi by al-Waqidi and the sayings of all Orientalists aren’t worth anything in Islam.

-They might use a saying from the book Mu’ujam al-Buldan by al-Hamawi and this doesn’t even have a Sanad so it’s useless.

-They may quote the sayings of Ibn abi al-Hadeed who is a Shi’ite/Mu’atazili, he is weak and his sayings are ignored altogether.

Any addition by the brothers is welcome, this is the stuff I came across until now.

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35 responses to “Did Umar[ra] ran away from battle of Uhud

  1. When a person is known for some of his attributes and it becomes a fact of history
    how long you will deny it . And it is not only uhad , both of them never attained any
    success in any of the ghazawat e Mohammad (saaws) that is why I always say they
    were always First from behind .

  2. Aniza

    How can you testify those attributes.What are historians in the eyes of Allah.Were they biased or not,authentic or not,were they upright muslims or not.Every one copied from the other.But you guys are left to prove the other side down by tooth and nail.Every sunni respects and sends durood on Prophet SAW and his progeny.Open your eyes and ears when every sunni says Sallahu allaihi waalihi wasalim after Muhammed.Yet on every site I go you say sunnis hate ahle bait.You guys hate Hazrat Abu bakr RAA and Hazrat Umar RAA you disregard the fact that one accompanied Our prophet Saw in Cave Hira and was first adult accepting Islam in that time of jahlia. Hazrat Umars RAA `conversion strengthened Islam.Remember arabs were pagans ,Holy kaaba was filled with idols and the leaders of tribes were bent upon to eliminate the threat to their way of life and offered rewards to keep their faith alive.At that time if any pagans heart melted by the will of Allah it was because he became fearless and he understood the message and he could stand by it.Sunnis respect hazrat Ali RAA and acknowledge his bravery and valour and his numerous qualities.Sunnis lve Hazrat Fatima AS and Grand sons of Prophet pbuh because they are His blood.If hazrat Umer killed Hazrat Fatima AS then why sunnis still love and regard hazrat Fatima AS and Remember Hazrat Ali RAA as one of Khulfa Rashidun.Stop hatered for the sake of Allah and prophet PBUH its an evil.Remember when Hazrat Ali RAA spared his enemy when the enemy spat on Him.Do not judge great people or any one because its only Allahs quality.Submit to your Allah and Muhammed Pbuh is the messenger and last prophet.

    • Haider

      masha Allah sister/brother. May Allah give you jaza. I just want to ask a question here if you could answer me I wll pray Allah tala that he give you jaza for that.
      Sister prove to me if hazrat umar or hazrat abu bakr, during the boycott of hazrat Muhammad SAWW, helped prophet SAWW openly or hidden prove it from the historical sources. ( during the 3 year boycott ) .

      • These stupid questions of shia website has been answered already:
        1. Answering 20 Challenging questions

        2. Answering 100 Questions

      • Haider

        @ISLAMISTRUTH thank you brother for your comment but before thinking of anything. how does it prove that they were togather in the shaib e abi talib? The tradition does not mention it at all that they were togather. The tradition just says they both were happy after hearing that news. Even though there are loads of other things to be mentioned as well but there is no point because the tradition itself proves nothing regarding you claim that they were togather.
        JazakAllah brother and if it was a stupid question. Why would you even bother to answer. Anyways brother we do not need to be using harsh language at all.

      • Abubakr (ra) gave all his wealth and even ended up with no money. This is mentioned in Seerah Ibn Hisham.

        Also, read this Hadith:
        The Prophet (saw) said: Abu- Bakr has favored me much with his property and company. If I were to take a Khalil from mankind I would certainly have taken Abu Bakr but the Islamic brotherhood and friendship is sufficient. [Sahih Bukhari]

      • Haider

        @islamistruth Brother JazakAllah for your reply. Masha Allah. Thank you for sharing the hadith e pak but how is it possible that prophet said that if I were to take a khalil from mankind, I would have certainly taken Abu bakr because it is a proven fact that when prophet made Ansaro Muhajreen brothers to eah other, Prophet chose Hazrat Ali (a.s) as his brother not hazrat Abu bakr. it is just a point to ponder brother. JazakAllah

      • Why are you asking these stupid questions? If the Prophet (saw) chose Ali (ra) as his brother he also called Abubakr (ra) his brother. Moreover, are you sure that the Prophet (saw) chose Ali (ra) as his brother during Muhajirin-Ansar brotherhood day, the day where each ansari shared their money/property with each Muhajir and chose them as their brother? On the other hand both the Prophet (saw) and Ali (ra) were Muhajir so how is that possible?

        Here is one more for you:
        [Sahih Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5871]
        ‘Abdullah b. Mas’ud reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If I were to choose a bosom friend I would have definitely chosen Abu Bakr as my bosom friend, but he is my brother and my companion and Allah, the Exalted and Gliorious, has taken your brother and companion (meaning Prophet himself) as a friend.

      • haider

        brother jazakAllah for the post but why are you using the word stupid and stupid again did I say anything bad to you? or Prophet Muhammad SAWW acted like this to a person who asked a question to him? it is not sunnah. if you do not want to answer then it is a different story.
        Now for you I would say first you cited the hadith that Prophet saww said if I were to choose a khalil from mankind then I will choose Abu bakr. Then I cite this hadith to refute you from sunni brothers’ book:
        Fadhail al-Sahaba, Volume 2 page 638 Tradition 1085:
        “Zayd bin Abi Awfa said: ‘I went to Allah’s messenger in his mosque, then he (Zaid) mentioned the story of brotherhood amongst the companions of Allah’s messenger. Then Ali said to the Prophet (s): ‘I lost my patience and felt sorrow when I saw you doing that to your companions but not to me, if I have incurred your displeasure I wish to apologise’.
        Allah’s messenger said: ‘I swear by He who sent me with the truth, I only left you for myself, your status to me is like the status of Harun to Musa except there is no Prophet after me, you are my brother and my inheritor’. (Ali) said: ‘O Allah’s messenger, what shall I inherit from you?’ (The Prophet) said: ‘You shall inherit from me what the prophets used to inherit’. (Ali) said: ‘What did the Prophets inherit?’ (The Prophet) said: ‘The book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet, you are with me in my palace in paradise along with my daughter Fatima, you are my brother and my friend’. Then Allah’s messenger recited the verse { (they shall be) as brethren, on raised couches, face to face.} 015.047”
        now it is proven from sunni brothers book that Prophet saww chose Ali a.s from the mankind even Hazrat Abu bakr and Hazrat Umr were present there. So there is no point that you could quote that hadith. Becaue it is all written in the books. So one hadith contradicts the other.. That is simply my question. and both are written in sunni brothers’ books. Hope you got the idea behind it? did you not?

      • Because you are asking these stupid questions (I know from where you got them). I showed you two Hadith that the Prophet (saw) called Abubakr (ra) his brother and you are making silly comments like ‘how is it possible’ and ‘there is no point you could quote that’.

        You did not refute anything but I refuted you and you didn’t even know about the narrations I quoted to you🙂 . The Prophet (saw) called Abubakr (ra) his brother (in both Sahih Muslim and Bukhari). Also, it is not a contradiction. Why do you think it is a contradiction? I think your mind is full of contradiction?

        I invite to join this forum http://www.islamic-forum.net (shia vs sonnah debate forum) and inshAllah you will get satisfactory answerers and also enjoy your stay there.

        More importantly, the Hadith you quoted is a fabrication – see Minahjus Sunnah. So there you go, two Hadith from Bukhari and Muslim that I quoted versus the fabricated one you quoted.

    • Syed

      “If hazrat Umer killed Hazrat Fatima AS then why sunnis still love and regard hazrat Fatima AS” That is what we, Shias, are asking? Same for those who add (RA) for the killers of Imam Husain (AS), and those who did not follow the norms of war.

      There is a blatant reason as to why Imam Ali (AS) did not pick up his sword from the last breath of the Holy Prophet (SAWW) to his reign. He will never partake in imperialistic warfare that is outside the doctrines of Islam. As the successor of the Holy Prophet (SAWW), he completed the verse (66:9) by battling only the hypocrites in the state. Since obviously, anyone who fights the Holy Prophet (SAWW) is an open disbeliever, the one who fights the Ahul Bayt are open hypocrites.

      Also, why the love for Ruler Abu Bakr who denied Fadak to Bibi (SA) on the basis that Prophets do not leave inheritance- even though Prophet Zachariah (peace be upon him and our Prophet and his family) and Prophet Dawud (peace be upon him and our Prophet and his family) both left inheritance for their offspring. She left this world displeased with Abu Bakr (in Sahih Bukhari by the way), and she will be raised displeased with him. Furthermore, the later Caliphs gave Fadak back to the Ahul Bayt, and took it again, then gave it back, then took it…

      If all of you want to give respect to Abu Bakr so much, then do it through his son (and brother of Aisha), Mohammad ibn Abu Bakr, who is deserving of his merits. If you want to give respect to the Umayyads, do it through Muawiyah ibn Yazid ibn Muawiyah ibn Abu Sufyan who spoke for justice and against injustice (of his family) and was thus killed for it.

      • Abubakr (ra) acted upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) in the issue of Fadak.

        Umar (ra) gave Fadak to Ali (ra) and Ibn Abbas (ra) to ADMINISTER, not to own because it didn’t belong to them. Also, Umar gave other lands to Ali to OWN. Do you know this? I don’t think so. Search for the land of Yanbu that Umar gave to Ali.

        Zakariya (as) didn’t leave a property etc as inheritance – He (as) left Prophethood and Wisdom as inheritance. Read the verses again. He was a poor man, When he asked Allah for son to inherit him and inherit the house of Yaqub, he meant inheriting the Prophethood not his property. Also, how could his son inherit the property of the house of Yaqub?, and was the house of Yaqub the house of wealth or the house of Prophethood and wisdom?. Think about it! Read this article, it deals with every question you have about Prophetic inheritance.

        We respect Abubakr (ra) because Prophet (saw) loved him, and he loved the Prophet (saw). we respect Abubakr for his service for Islam, during time of Prophet (saw) after his death. The only reason you respect Muhammad bin Abi Bakr is because he was raised by Ali and became his governor. Your love and respect for people is whether they were loyal to Ali, but our respect for people is because of their loyalty, and support for Prophet (saw) and Islam.

  3. hamida

    without cursing what do you really have in the shia faith (emptiness) these rafidi are the most desperate people in debates i have ever seen they will tell you a bold face lie in a minute may Allah bless this web site that tells the thruth and exposes these people this is a dangerous cult the more i study them the more it gets scarier

  4. IRAM

    If this is a dangerous cult then please stay out!!! your eyes and brain are closed. you know things at face value!!!THATA THE PROBLEM.

  5. Syed Ausaf Ali

    Assalamualaikum, May Allah give hidayah to Mr Haider & other rafidhah. Even if Our beloved Prophet SAW had done the muwakhat with Hazrat Ali (R.A), how does it prove the Sh’ia view point. Indeed Sayyidina Ali (RA) was his brother & companion but was not Khaleel at all. Secondly, Sayyidina Abu Bakr (RA) was the Companion of the Cave. Why the Prophet SAW did not choose Hazrat Ali (RA)?? He (SAW) appointed Hazrat Usama bin Zaid as the commander? Why he (SAW) didn’t appoint Hazrat Ali? He (SAW) made his 2 daughter marry Hazrat Uthman & only one daughter to Hazrat Ali, Why? Indeed all these questions are Silly.
    Interestingly Hazrat Haroon AS was not the successor of Hazrat e Moosa AS but only a brother & co-Prophet. His successor was Harzat Yusha (Joshua) bin Noon (AS). Same is the case here. Hazrat Ali was the Prophet’s brother and companion but not his successor. His successor was Janab e Siddiq e Akbar (RA). That’s how the hadith ” you are same to me as Haroon was to Moosa” further validates the Khilafah of Sayyidina Siddique RadhiAllahu Anhu.

  6. bro what u can say about the narration about hadrat umar(r.a) like this in durrul manthur volume 4 page 81 by Suyuti?

  7. i can prove khilafat of imaam ali as from quran , u prove khulafae rashidin from kuran , open chalange to all…………..

  8. aysha zia

    Assalam to shia brothers and sisters! Just wanted some knowledge as per history is concerned I believe 80% of your history and also that imam Ali could be choosen from Allah as caliph after prophet but I really don’t like shias practice of releigion.It is less about Allah and all about ahle baat.The practice resembles hindus way of asking help from Allahs people rather from Allah.specially mataa and how shias dont need witnesses for marriage.The practice stopped me from accepting your point of view.can you clear why shias practice of releigion is so strange.

    • Humza

      Salaam Sister

      I think you do not understand our way of religion and how we seek guidance, no disrespect.
      To put into simple terms I’ll give you an example;
      To get to the President you should get to the vice-president and to get to the vice-president you should talk to the person 1 position lower than him.

      The same we, we believe that to get closer to Allah we should look at the teachings of the Prophet (saw) and to get closer to the teachings of the Prophet we see them expressed through the lives of the Ahlulbayt.

      Also my opinion may be highly biased because i’m a shia but where I live (in London, hounslow if you want precise) hardly anyone thats sunni knows who the Ahlulbayt are. What impression does that give you? And this may not be the general case but i’m giving an example from my lifestyle.

      And the Imaams at there mosque say the Prophet left two weighty things the Quran and his Sunnah which is blatantly a lie.

    • umar

      Sister Aisha,
      It is clearly narrated in Sahih Muslim hadith no 3415,3416,3417 in chapter of marriage that mutah was halal in Muslim ummah up till the time of Hazrat Umar. It was he who forbade Muslims from it. The actual Islam permitted it and that Islam was given by Prophet a.s and Allah at its completion stamped it that ‘Today I have completed this deen for you…’.
      As in present day having concubine is taken as sin or even polygamy is considered as very odd, but that us our perspective. We have to take perspective of Allah and shift ourselves to that perspective if he is Our true ilah
      Asking Ahle Bait instead of Allah: It’s not just shia who do it rather the orthodox Islam also believes on it which to this day is the majority of Muslims. It’s only the Islams of 18th and 19th century which take it as associating partners or impermissible. It’s core concept is to approach Allah through those who were completely obedient to Him and that they will give us on orders of Allah after intercession for us to Him. But the question wether Allah requires it or why should it be done at all please see verse 5.35 of Quran for its instruction by the name of waseelah and verse 17.57 of Quran for the description of what waseelah is

  9. Kenz

    As-Sayyuti: “Ad-Dur Al-Manthur”. Vol. 2, p. 88

    It appears that after some time, he and his companions sat down to take rest. From At-Tabari we learn that ‘Umar and Talha together ,with some of the Muhiijirin and Ansar, ran away from the field and were sitting on a rock, when someone called out that Muhammad had been killed. Anas ibn Al-Nadr went up to these persons and asked them why they were sitting there. The men on the rock replied that Muhammad (P) had been killed, and expressed their wish that there had been somone who would go to ‘Abdallah ibn ‘Ubbai, a Munafiq at Medina, and request him to intercede with Abu Sufyan and get an amnesty for them (4)

    At-Tabarl: Vol. 3, p. 20; p. 19.

    Seeing Imam Ali and the Prophet (P) standing firm on the field of battle, Muslims began to rally round the Prophet (P). Abu Bakr says that the people began to return to the Prophet (P), that he was the first to come back to him, and that after him came Abu ‘Ubaida ibn AI.Jarra (5)

    Do you want more? The thing with you Bakris is this. We provide you evidence you try to make excuses and beat around the bush and lie to yourselves. You’re like the Christians who even with evidence they won’t change. It’s hard to accept the truth knowing what you thought was the truth isn’t really the truth. But may Allah guide us all.

    I don’t know why you praise those people so much really.

    • Prove the authenticity of the reports you quoted. Provide Arabic for these.

      Importantly, Allah in the Quran forgave those Muslims who fled but it seems the words of Allah are not sufficient for the Shia.

      • Syed

        Okay, Allah forgave Omar and co.; similarly Imam Ali (AS) forgave Aisha in Jamal. All we, Shias, are saying is to stop denying history and acknowledge the wrong. Do not speak as though the wrong never occurred.

      • All we say to Imami Shia is to stop their takfiri mentality.

      • umar

        Brother Islamistruth, did Allah also sent any verse in forgiveness of what Hazrat Umar did during Hudebia proceedings in which he clearly challenged prophet hood of Rsulullah in front or in presence of pagans for not reaching to Mecca though he had said so and then not accepting Rsulullah’s reply and going to Hazrat Abu Baker and accepting him but not Rsulullah,and later when verses of victory are revealed and he is told of those still he doesn’t believe. And this all on the juncture in which Rsulullah fetches for Islam glorious victory. More importantly within days of bait e Rizwan. And did Allah sent any verses of forgiveness that when Holy Prophet wanted to write his will he along with some others did not let him to and said all that, that they were shunned away from that room by bed restricted Rsulullah who would leave them in couple of days

      • Allah on many verses praised the muhajirin and ansar and other companions.

        – Umar al-Farooq (ra) never challenged the Prophet (saw) in Hudaibiya. Bait Rizwan is where Allah was pleased with the 1400 companions that included Abubakr and Umar who pledged their allegiance under the tree with the Prophet (saw).
        – About the hadith of pen and paper, read this:
        https://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/the-incident-of-pen-and-paper-in-short/

  10. I am extreamly convinced by shia version…..O my Allah I was wrong till date forgive me.I am going to change everything.

  11. umar

    I heard it from late Dr Israr that verse
    (وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ ۚ أَفَإِنْ مَاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَىٰ أَعْقَابِكُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَنْقَلِبْ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَنْ يَضُرَّ اللَّهَ شَيْئًا ۗ وَسَيَجْزِي اللَّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ)
    [Surat Aal-E-Imran 144]
    was revealed for Hazrat Umar and I’ve read it in bukhari that when it happened Hazrat Abu Baker recited this verse for Hazrat Umar

  12. SAB BAKWAS HAI ( ISLAM DESTROYED BY FIRST THREE KHULAFAS )

    Read The Sermon 3 Of Nahjul-Balagha Sermon On”” Shakshakiya “”YOU will get the result of your so called Khulafa-e-Rashedeen Except Imam Ali … Because You Made Imam Ali Khulafa We Don’t We Consider Him as a Imam From The Day Of Ghadeer Not Like You Passing The Caliphate To Their Own Peoples ….

  13. Abbas

    It has been accepted by all muslims (sunni and shia) that when muhammad (saww) was about to die, he asked to bring the pen and paper. But hazrat umar and hazrat abu bakr refused to gave him. Why so. Plz justify

  14. shujiii

    Dear all. (wo aijad kartay rahe aur hum ehtjaja kartay rahe.) The era of persons in question is gone. now its time to unit and make all forces unsuccessful working against Islam and its followers. Please forget the past and stop proving that who did what. whatever wrong is done by anyone just leave it to Allah as he is the bast Judge.Books are written by humans and can be fabricated at any time so quoting any book may mislead. please get united and leave this endless discussion. By the way, such discussions were on even 1000 years ago but remained fruitless. Now after laps 0f 1400 years no one can prove who did wright or wrong. The people under discussion have left more than a century before and we are still beating about the bush. Thnks

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