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Why a Shia brother rejected Shia sect and embraced Original Islam


بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

A Former Shia brother, who recently abandoned Shia sect, was asked what made him leave the sect of Twelver Shiism and embrace original Islam, AhlusSunnah wal Jama’ah, the Islam of Prophet (saw), his Ahlulbayt and Sahaba (may Allah be pleased with them).

Here is his response (Check the end of article for original link):

:JazakAllah: Akhi, and may Allah(swt) always guide us towards the Haq.

There many issues that changed my mind over time, however the main one was the concept of Imamate. I wouldn’t say that i had doubts over it while I was a Shirazi, but rather, i tended to avoid looking at the details of the doctrine and focused a lot on Sahaba(ra) and other non important issues (which Yasser Al-Habib focuses a lot more). If you have noticed or not from Yasser Al-Habib, he is not as open on the Immamate doctrine as he is on Aisha(ra) and the rest of the Sahaba(ra), in which all of his baseless and deceptive accusations against them have been eloquently refuted on the behalf of the AhlulSunnah. There was one short clip of him where one person asked him why the Immamate doctrine is not in descriptive details in the Quran as other fundamental beliefs are, for example ; Tawheed, prophet hood, Qiyama,  justice of Allah(swt), Salat, Zakat and Hajj. His answer was that one must look for the details in the Hadith jin order to fully understand immamate just as one needs to know the details of Salat in the Hadith, because the details on how we pray is not in the Quran. However, this argument is flawed on so many levels, because firstly, Salat according to the Shia falls under Furu’ Al-Din and Immamate falls under Usool Al-Din making it not only more important than Salat, but a fundamental pillar of the Shia faith that is even more important than prophethood, hence, Al-Habib’s comparison of Immamate with Salat is clearly invalid.

Moreover, when we read the Quran, we find no mention of this concept any where. For example, there are numerous verses in the Quran that fully describe the general fundamental islamic such  Tawheed, Prophet hood, the angels, resurrection ect, but the Quran is completely silent on imamate. Salat, which according to Shias is less important than the belief of Imamate, is mentioned humorously over 700 times in the noble Quran, where Allah(swt) describes that one must prostrate, face the Qibla and not associate any partner with him during salat, but there are no verses explicitly declaring that a believer must obey the infallible and divinely appointed Awsiya of their time in order to reach salvation . Instead the Allah(swt) describes in the Quran that the believers are those who obey him, obey his prophet(pbuh), do righteous deeds, pay zakat and pray.

Moreover, let us now compare, the doctrines of Tawheed, prophet hood, with the verses that the Shias use to support  Immamate to see how much each is described by Allah(swt) and emphasized. Lets start of with Tahweed.

Tawheed(Ones of God)



“And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone).” [Az-Zariyat 51:56]

And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him…” [Al-Isra’ 17:23]

Say: Serve ye in place of Allah that which possesseth for you neither hurt nor use? Allah it is Who is the Hearer, the Knower.” [Quran 5:76]

“And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Qur’an), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins” [Al-Jinn 72:13]

“Indeed, We sent Nuh (Noah) to his people and he said: “O my people! Worship Allah! You have no other Ilah (God) but Him. Certainly, I fear for you the torment of a Great Day!” [Al-A’raf 7: 59]

“And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): “Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) all false deities” Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth).” [An-Nahl 16:36]

“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him…” [Al-Isra’ 17:23]

“You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)” [Al-Fatihah 1:5]

“That is Allah, your Lord!. There is no god but He, the Creator of all things. Then worship Him, and He has power to dispose of all affairs” [Al-An’am 6:102]


Prophet Hood



Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:40)

“Say (O Muslims): We believe in God and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac and Jacob, and their children, and that which Moses and Jesus received and that the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and unto Him we have surrendered.” (Quran 2:136)

“Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” (The Holy Quran, Al-Araf 7:158)

And when Jesus son of Mary said, ‘Children of Israel. I am indeed the messenger to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name shall be the praised one…” (Quran 61:6)

This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who fear Allah, believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, give charity from what We have provided for them, and believe in the Revelation sent to you (O Muhammad) and before you, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who shall be successful. “(The Holy Quran, Al-Bagara 2:2-5)

And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he [Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)] might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (The Holy Quran, Ibrahim 14:4)

It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.” (The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:36)
This Aya directly above ^ , portrays a very important point. Notice how Allah(swt) emphasized on him and the prophet being obeyed and that only a true believer is the one who fully obeys him and his prophet. At the same time, you see in this Aya nothing mentioned about the believers being obliged to obey a divinely appointed imam after the prophet as the Shia claim as a requirement to be a true believer. 

There are still many more verses that clearly explain Tawheed and Prophet hood, but these are the only ones I posted to keep this message short. 

Now let us look at the verses that the Shia use to prove their Immamate doctrine. 


Immamate(Divine leadership)



Your ally is none but Allah and [therefore] His Messenger and those who have believed – those who establish prayer and give zakah, and they bow [in worship]”.[5:55]

“And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet’s] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification.”[33:33]

O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result“.[4:59]

And this is it for Immamate! Those are the  verses mostly used by the Shias to prove their false doctrine. Now compare these verses with the verses that explain Taweheed and prophet hood. Notice the great vibe in the verses that explain them while you see the complete opposite with the verses that the Shias use to try and prove immamte with. For example, from the Tawheed verses, after simiply reading the Ayas without referring to any exegesis and Hadith, we can easily derive from their meaning that Allah(swt) is one that is to be worshiped alone. Moreover, in the verses that explain prophet hood, we can clearly learn that Muhamed is the last messenger sent by God and like past prophets sent by God to warn the people and bring them to worship Allah(swt) alone. Moreover, aside from these verses, a full chapter (Surat Yusef) in the Quran talks about the history of prophet Yusef(as).

However, when we get to examine the verses that the Shias use to prove Immamate, we do not feel that same vibe and strength when reading the verses that refer to Tawheed and prophet hood. In other words, from these verses , nothing clearly mentions that after the prophet, there will be divinely appointed men by God who will guide the Ummah and just as prophets guided them and that rejecting their authority constitutes to disbelieve just as rejecting a prophet. 

Now to examine this verse that has been misinterpreted to death for the past hundreds of years. “O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result“.[4:59]

This verse, does not prove immamate. In fact, if we look at the context, it’s still isn’t as detailed in a way to support the claim  of the obligation to follow divinely appointed Imams who are infallible and above all prophets except Muhamed(pbuh). The word ” Ulul Al-Amr” from the noble verse in Arabic translates to those in authority among you. This type of authority is not regarded to a specific individual or people, but rather, generally states ANY authority . For example, those in authority can refer to our parents, because in Islam, we are obliged to obey our parents despite the circumstances unless they bring you away from Islam, then you do not have to obey them. Moreover, religious scholars are recognized as those in authority among us. There are many hadiths(both in sunni and Shias texts) which emphasis on the importance and virtuous status of knowledgeable scholars. Moreover, the prophet stated that the scholars of the Ummah have a higher status than the ordinary people and must be respected and obeyed. It is also worth to mention that during the lifetime of the prophet, the prophet would assign leaders that represent him  to armies or caravans that travel to far cities and places where the prophet himself does not accompany them. For example, at times, he would assign Imam Ali(ra) as his representative to lead a group of his companions(ra) on journeys to far cities and towns where the prophet does not accompany them and obliges his companions to obey those in authority among them(being Ali) , otherwise, they would have disobeyed the prophet’s command. 

Moreover, the second part of the Aya is actually an indirect rebuttal to the Shia claim on Immamate. In other words, the second part of the Aya, Allah(swt), tells us that when ever we differ among ourselves, then we refer back to Allah(swt) and the messenger. What Allah(swt) meant by that, is when ideological differences arise between the Muslims then we refer back to him by going back to his book; the noble Quran and the prophet’s Sunnah, being the authentic hadith. With that being said, Allah(swt) does not tell us that if we differ among ourselves, that we refer back to a divinely appointed Imam that guides his people of his time. Allah(swt) in the second part of the verse only tells up to refer back to his book, and the Sunnah of his prophet. Moreover, this verse also helps defend what I’m stating because Allah(swt) described the unbeliever to reject him and the prophet, but no where does he mention that if one rejects a divinly appointed Imam that comes after the prophet, he will be considered a disbeliever as the Shia believe in. In fact the verse and it’s meaning is very clear!. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.” (The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:36)


With that being, any unbiased person after reading the noble Quran, can no doubt conclude that the Immamate doctrine is an innovated myth that has no roots in the orthodox teachings of Muhamed(pbuh).


I have more to say on other issues, for example, Tahrif, Saqifa, Sahaba(ra) and other issues,  but time does not permit me to do that for now. Inshallah once I free up sometime in university, I will be fully explaining my position on Immamate and Sahaba(ra) on sc and here. 

:Wassalam:

[ END of RESPONSE ]

Written by Puretruth (Former Shia). 
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Shia mockery of the saying of Prophet (saww) and a glimpse of their own book


Shia often mock the saying of the Prophet (saww) regarding Umar (ra):

Umar bin Al-Khattab asked permission of Allah’s Apostle to see him while some Quraishi women were sitting with him and they were asking him to give them more financial support while raising their voices over the voice of the Prophet. When ‘Umar asked permission to enter, all of them hurried to screen themselves. The Prophet admitted ‘Umar and he entered, while the Prophet was smiling. ‘Umar said, “May Allah always keep you smiling, O Allah’s Apostle! Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you!” The Prophet said, “I am astonished at these women who were with me. As soon as they heard your voice, they hastened to screen themselves.” ‘Umar said, “You have more right, that they should be afraid of you, O Allah’s Apostle!” And then he (‘Umar) turned towards them and said, “O enemies of your souls! You are afraid of me and not of Allah’s Apostle?” The women replied, “Yes, for you are sterner and harsher than Allah’s Apostle.” Allah’s Apostle said, “O Ibn Al-Khattab! By Him in Whose Hands my life is, whenever Satan sees you taking a way, he follows a way other than yours.”

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 hadith 108

I often read Shias criticizing this hadith. Some declare it to be illogical, some consider it to be blasophemous, some consider it to be impossible. Interestingly, Shias have an exactly similar hadith regarding Ali (ra), with which they have no problem.

Shaikh Saduq records the following tradition in his book

وبهذا الاسناد عن علي عليه السلام قال : قال لي النبي صلى الله عليه وآله : ما سلكت طريقا ولا فجا إلا سلك الشيطان غير طريقك وفجك

According to the same documentation, it is narrated that Ali (s) said that God’s Prophet (s) told him, “Whatever road you take, Satan will go the opposite way.”

Uyoon Akhbar al-Reza 

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Contradictory Shia narrations regarding the successorship of Imam Reza by Ma’mun


Bismillah

The Shia narrations regarding the successorship of Imam Reza by Caliph Mamun contradict one another. The first report shows that Imam Reza was happy with it, and considered that Mamun did this out of good intentions and for the sake of Allah.

Shaykh Saduq records:

حدثنا الحاكم أبو علي الحسين بن أحمد البيهقي، قال حدثني محمد بن يحيى الصولي قال: حدثني أحمد بن محمد بن إسحاق قال: حدثنا أبي قال: لما بويع الرضا عليه السلام بالعهد اجتمع الناس إليه يهنئونه فأومى إليهم فانصتوا، ثم قال بعد أن استمع كلامهم: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمد لله الفعال لما يشاء لا معقب لحكمه ولا راد لقضائه (يعلم خائنة الأعين وما تخفي الصدور) وصلى الله على محمد في الأولين والآخرين وعلى آله الطيبين الطاهرين أقول وأنا علي بن موسى بن جعفر عليهما السلام: إن أمير المؤمنين عضده الله بالسداد ووفقه للرشاد عرف من حقنا ما جهله غيره، فوصل أرحاما قطعت وآمن نفوسا فزعت بل أحياها وقد تلفت وأغناها إذا افتقرت مبتغيا رضا رب العالمين لا يريد جزاء إلا من عنده (وسيجزي الله الشاكرين ولا يضيع أجر المحسنين) وأنه جعل إلي عهده والامرة الكبرى إن بقيت بعده فمن حل عقدة أمر الله تعالى بشدها وقصم عروة أحب الله إيثاقها فقد أباح حريمه وأحل محرمه إذا كان بذلك زاريا ( ١) على الامام منتهكا ( ٢) حرمة الاسلام، بذلك جرى السالف فصبر منه على الفلتات ولم يعترض بعدها على الغرمات خوفا على شتات الدين واضطراب حبل المسلمين ولقرب أمر الجاهلية ورصد المنافقين فرصة تنتهز وبائقة تبتدر وما أدري ما يفعل بي ولا بكم؟ أن الحكم إلا لله يقضي الحق

Al-Hakim Abu Ali Al-Hussein ibn Ahmad al-Bayhaqi narrated that Muhammad ibn Yahya al-Sowli quoted on the authority of Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ishaq, on the authority of his father, “When they pledged allegiance to Al-Reza (s), the people gathered around him and congratulated him. He made a gesture to them to become silent and after hearing their words, he said, ‘In the Name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Praise be to God who does whatever He wills. No one can object to His Decrees. No one can reject His Destiny. He knows whatever treason that lies in one’s heart from the sight and whatever is hidden in the hearts. May God’s Blessings be upon Muhammad, upon the first and the last creatures, upon his good and pure Household.’ He then added, ‘I am Ali ibn Musa ibn Ja’far. Indeed the Commander of the Faithful (Al-Ma’mun) – may God assist him in righteousness and make him successful in being rational – has recognized one of our rights which others were ignorant about. He has established ties of kinship which others have broken. He has granted security to people who lived in fear. He even revived them and rescued them from destruction. He enriched them when they were in need. He was seeking the pleasure of the Lord of the Two Worlds in doing all this. He did not ask anyone but Him to reward him. God will reward the ones who are grateful. He will not let the reward of the good-doers be forgotten. He turned over the succession to the throne to me. He has entrusted his great rule to me after him. And whoever breaks a contract that God has ordered to be safeguarded, and loosens ties which God likes to be tightened has indeed underestimated God’s Bounds, and has allowed what God has forbidden. In this way, he has denied the leader of his right and has disobeyed his orders. He has thus disrespected Islam as was done in the past. The Trustee (Ali ibn Abi Talib (s)) put up with all the instances of breaching of the covenants, and did not even object to those later when he was in power, fearing dispersion in the religion and turmoil in the ties which held the Muslims together. This was because the ideas of the Age of Ignorance were still in their minds and the hypocrites were on the watch to get a chance to create havoc. Now I do not know what is going to happen to me and you. Indeed there is no arbitrator but God. He is the only One who clarifies the truth. He is the best Separator.”

The following report contradicts it.

حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن محمد بن عمران الدقاق رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا محمد بن أبي عبد الله الكوفي عن محمد بن إسماعيل البرمكي عن محمد بن عرفة قال: قلت للرضا عليه السلام يا بن رسول الله ما حملك على الدخول في ولاية العهد؟ فقال: ما حمل جدي أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام على الدخول في الشورى


Ali ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Imran al-Daqqaq – may God be pleased with him – narrated that Muhammad ibn Abi Abdullah al-Kufi quoted on the authority of Muhammad ibn Isma’il al-Barmaki, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Arafat that he asked Al-Reza (s), “O son of the Prophet of God! What forced you to accept the succession to the throne?” The Imam (s) replied, “The same thing which forced my grandfather the Commander of the Faithful (s) to join the arbItraion council.”

Uyoon Akhbar al-Reza, by Shaykh Sadooq

Now if Imam Reza was definitely forced, to accept the successorship, why was he saying to the public that Mamun did this with good intentions and for the sake of Allah, and that he protected the ahlel bayt and gave them peace? Wasn’t he misguiding the people as well with these words, because when people would hear these words coming from the mouth of Imam Reza, they would definitely consider Mamun to be on the right path!

And the following report shows that Imam Reza didn’t want to be the successor because he considered himself incapable for the caliphate.

حدثنا أبو محمد الحسن بن يحيى العلوي الحسيني رضي الله عنه بمدينة السلام قال: أخبرني جدي يحيى الحسن بن جعفر بن عبيد الله بن الحسين قال حدثني موسى بن سلمة قال كنت بخراسان مع محمد بن جعفر، فسمعت أن ذا الرياستين الفضل بن سهل خرج ذات يوم وهو يقول: واعجبا لقد رأيت عجبا سلوني ما رأيت؟ فقالوا: ما رأيت أصلحك الله؟ قال: رأيت أمير المؤمنين يقول: لعلي بن موسى الرضا قد رأيت أن أقلدك أمر المسلمين وأفسخ ما في رقبتي وأجعله في رقبتك ورأيت علي بن موسى يقول له: الله الله لا طاقة لي بذلك ولا قوة فما رأيت خلافة قط كانت أضيع منها أمير المؤمنين يتفصى فيها ويعرضها على علي بن موسى وعلي بن موسى يرفضها ويأبى.

Abu Muhammad Al-Hassan ibn Yahya al-Alawi Al-Husseini – may God be pleased with him – narrated in Medina that his grandfather Yahya ibn Al-Hassan ibn Ja’far ibn Ubaydillah ibn Al-Hussein quoted on the authority of Musa ibn Salamat, “I was in the province of Khorasan with Muhammad ibn Ja’far. Then I heard that one day Thul-Riasatayn Al-Fadhl ibn Sahl came out and said, ‘I have dreamt something amazing. Ask me what I saw.’ They asked, ‘May God maintain your health! What did you dream?’ He said, ‘I dreamt that the Commander of the Faithful tell Ali ibn Musa Al-Reza (s), ‘I am planning to turn over the affairs of the Muslims to you, dismiss myself from the post of the Caliphate and put it on your shoulders.’ I saw that Ali ibn Musa (s) replied, ‘By God! I do not have the power to do this, nor do I have the strength.’ Fadhl added, ‘I had never seen the Caliphate more belittled than that. The Commander of the Faithful resigns and hands it over to Ali ibn Musa (s) , and Ali ibn Musa (s) turns him down and rejects it.’

Uyoon Akhbar al-Reza, by Shaykh Sadooq

Is Fadhl ibn Sahl mentioning a mere dream? The answer is , No. There is nothing like that in the Arabic text. The English translator added it himself, to show that this is the dream of Fadhl ibn Sahl. But the case is that , Fadhl ibn Sahl is narrating the incident which he saw. And nothing supports the idea that it is a dream.

So now, three different reports show three different pictures.

1. Imam Reza is happy with being made a successor.
2. Imam Reza is made a successor against his will.
3. Imam Reza doesn’t want to be made a successor because he considers himself incapable. 

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