al-Kulayni’s best joke and contradiction in al-Kafi


al-Salamu `Aleykum,

Check out this funny man’s contradiction.

Muhammad ibn Ya’qub al-Kulayni narrated in al-Kafi vol.1 pg.261:

أن الأئمة عليهم السلام يعلمون علم ما كان وما يكون وانه لا يخفى عليهم الشئ صلوات الله عليهم

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أحمد بن محمد ومحمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن إبراهيم بن إسحاق الأحمر، عن عبد الله بن حماد، عن سيف التمار قال كنا مع أبي عبد الله عليه السلام جماعة من الشيعة في الحجر فقال: علينا عين؟ فالتفتنا يمنة ويسرة فلم نر أحدا فقلنا: ليس علينا عين فقال: ورب الكعبة ورب البنية – ثلاث مرات – لو كنت بين موسى والخضر لأخبرتهما أني أعلم منهما ولأنبئتهما بما ليس في أيديهما، لان موسى والخضر عليهما السلام أعطيا علم ما كان ولم يعطيا علم ما يكون وما هو كائن حتى تقوم الساعة وقد ورثناه من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وراثة

Chapter: That the Imams have the Knowledge of What Was and  What Will Be, and That Nothing Is Unknown to Them, may the blessings of Allah be upon them.

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Ahmad ibn Muhammad and Muhammad ibn Yahya have narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn from Ibrahim ibn Ishaq al-Ahmar from ‘Abd Allah ibn Hammad from Sayf al-Tammar who has said that he with a group of Shi‘a were in the presence of abu ‘Abd Allah (as), in a room so the Imam (as) said: “Are there eyes watching us?” We then looked right and left and did not see anyone. We said, “No eye is watching over us.” The Imam (as), said, “I swear by the Lord of the Ka‘ba. I swear by the Lord of the House.” He said so three times. “Had I been with Moses and al-Khidr I would have told them that I had more knowledge than they did and would have informed them of that of which they had no knowledge. This is because Moses and al-Khidr were given the knowledge of what was in the past and they were not given the knowledge of what will be in future or what will exist up to the Day of Judgment, while we have inherited all of it (knowledge) from the Messenger of Allah as heirs.”

LINK: http://shiaonlinelib…/الصفحة_309#top

 By Hani 
Posted by 13S2010

6 Comments

Filed under Revealing Shia sect, Shia Ghulu (Exaggeration)

6 responses to “al-Kulayni’s best joke and contradiction in al-Kafi

  1. Samy

    Please don’t use such words like “joke” to hurt other Muslims and sect. As that really hurted. I would request you to change this word JOKE and first understands who 12 Imam’s are.
    Also to understand this you need to understand who 12 imam’s are. And to make you understand this a little hope following example would help.
    Just look around you into this world, you would find a lot of pious people who are given different spiritual powers by Allah, because of their pious soul and Irfaniat.
    But prophet P.B.U.H and 12 Imam’s are chosen by Allah… not by Public, as they don’t do anything from their own side infact they have devoted 100% of them to Allah (S.A.W.T). Take the example of Hazrat Ali, he won all the battles and was famous as the powerful most, though he had the same body as we do, but soul was the pious most in the world that he was awared with laws of Islam and God so never went against them. And ofcourse they have knowledge of past and future (but limited not like Allah S.W.A.T) as Allah gives them the knowledge of whatever Allah want, read Surah Aala, hope you would understand a bit.

    • Hugh Slaman

      Samy,
      Are you aware that, according to Twelver Shia scholars, the Imams would engage in taqiyya with their own followers *so as to spread contradictions among those followers*, with the intention that their school of thought would be seen as “silly”, and hence would not be persecuted?
      Well, what the Imams did, according to your scholars, has in fact worked: your school of thought really does look silly to us!
      By calling certain narrations “jokes”, we are merely recognizing what we were meant to see, according to your scholars,by the infallibles themselves! How can you blame us if your infallibles wanted your school to look silly to us?
      Seriously, brother, just get out of this silly, doomed sect that spreads by intimidation and emotional manipulation. It is honestly as illogical as something out of a Monty Python movie. It will not benefit you on the Last Day; I give you sincere advice.
      I *promise you* that Imam Ali, Allah ennoble his face, will reject your claims about his alleged Imamate on the Last Day, if he is asked about them.

      • HUGH SLAMAN TALKS IDIOTIC NONSENSE . TAQAIYYA TO SAVE LIFE IS A PERMISSABLE MEANS FOR US COOMONOR . WHAT DID ABU BAKR DOING IN THE CAVE , INSTEAD OF CRYING REPEADLY WHY HE DIDNT CAME OUT , AND BY THE WAY WHY HE ALSO FLEE WITH UMAR , USMAN IN OHUD LEAVING THE RASOOL (saaws) SERIOUSLY INJURED, LYING IN A PIT . COWARD , NO? LACK OF EIMAAN , WASNT HE HUGH SLAMAN ?

        Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:00:57 +0000 To: zaheerhusain@hotmail.com

  2. Hugh Slaman

    zaheerhusain, please reflect on this:

    Ahmad ibn Idris from Muhamad ibn ‘Abdul-Jabbar from al-Hassan ibn ‘Ali from Tha’alabah ibn Maymoun from Zurarah ibn A’ayun that he said: I asked Imam al-Baqir (as) a question so the Imam gave me the answer then another man came and asked the same question so the Imam gave him a different answer, then another one came and asked about it so the Imam gave him a completely different answer than both of us. when both men left I asked the Imam: “O son of Rassul Allah, two men from ‘Iraq and from your Shia came to ask you but you gave each of them different answers.” He replied: “O Zurarah, this is good for us so that we may remain safer because if you all agree on this then the people will believe in it and they would be guided to us but we will not remain for long.”
    Later I said to his son al-Sadiq (as): “Your Shia always walk away from you with different opinions and answers” so he gave me the same reply as his father.

    source: al-Kafi 1/65.
    al-Majlisi said: Muwaththaq like the Sahih.
    al-Behbudi said: Sahih.

    • THIS IS ALL TOHMAT BAKWASS , NO TRUTH IN IT .
      AIMMA E MASOOMEEN (a s ) ARE ALL INFALLIBLE , FREE FROM ALL MISTAKES , ANY ONE DOUBTING THEIR INFALLIBILITY IS DOUBTING ON RISALAT , DOUBTING ON QORA’AN AND CEASE TO BE A MUSLIM.
      AWWALANA MOHAMMAD, AUSATNA MOHAMMAD , WA AAKHIRONA MOHAMMAD WA KULLONA MOHAMMAD . THAT IS THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF REAL ISLAM . TRYING TO FIND FAULTS IN THE AAL E MOHAMMAD (s) IS AN INDICATION OF ILLEGITIMACY , THE PERSON IS DOOMED FOR JAHANNUM .

      • Hugh Slaman

        If there is no truth in this report, then what do you think of a sect whose scholars declare this report reliable?
        We are talking about Twelver Shia scholars, the same people who you rely on for your beliefs about the twelve Imams.
        They are the ones who say the Imams used to do taqiyya, even when their lives were not threatened.
        If you comprehend what I am saying here, you can see that the Twelver Shia sect is not reliable as a source of information.

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