Shia belief of “al-Bada'”

al-Salamu `Aleykum,

Today we have something fun to play with : )

You all know the narrations that contain the ancient Shia belief of “al-Bada'”, for example:

ما بدا لله في شيء كما بدا له في إسماعيل ابني

Imam al-Sadiq says: “It hasn’t appear to Allah in anything as it appeared to him in my son Isma`il.”

Meaning that it would appear to Allah that Isma`il was the next Imam, then after Isma`il died in his father’s life, Allah (astaghfirullah) made the Imam his brother Musa instead, in other words he changed his mind as if he apparently never knew that the first one was going to die.

To make a long story short, the Shia at the time fabricated these narrations as excuses to switch from following one Imam to the next, and so that they wouldn’t appear as liars in front of their followers.

Now the Twelver Shia scholar al-Saduq doesn’t  like this narration, so he refutes it in his book “Kamal ul-Deen wa Tamam ul-Ni`mah” pg.69:

ما ذلك الخبر؟ ومن رواه؟ ومن تلقّاه بالقبول؟ فلم يجدوا إلى ذلك سبيلاً ، وإنّما هذه حكاية ولّدها قوم قالوا بامامة إسماعيل ، ليس لها أصلٌ

[What is this narration? who narrated it? who accepted it? they couldn’t answer, this is only a story made up by some folks who believed in the Imamah of Isma`il, it is baseless.]

Then he makes Takfir on those who believe in it by saying:

وعندنا من زعم أنَّ الله عزَّ وجلَّ يبدو له اليوم في شيء لم يعلمه أمس فهو كافرٌ والبراءة منه واجبة

[We believe that whoever states that something can be revealed to Allah today that he didn’t know yesterday is a Kafir, and it is a duty to be free from him.]

Now we’ll reveal to him what he didn’t know, Bismillah:

رواه سعد بن عبد الله الأشعري قال: حدثني أبو هاشم داود بن القاسم الجعفري قال: كنت عند أبي الحسن عليه السلام وقت وفاة ابنه أبي جعفر – وقد كان أشار إليه ودل عليه – فإني لافكر في نفسي وأقول: هذه قضية أبي إبراهيم وقضية إسماعيل، فأقبل علي أبو الحسن عليه السلام فقال: نعم يا أبا هاشم بدا لله تعالى في أبي جعفر وصير مكانه أبا محمد، كما بدا لله في إسماعيل بعدما دل عليه أبو عبد الله عليه السلام ونصبه، وهو كما حدثت به نفسك وإن كره المبطلون، أبو محمد ابني الخلف من بعدي عنده ما تحتاجون إليه ومعه آلة الإمامة والحمد لله

Sa`d bin `Abdullah al-‘Ash`ari said: abu Hashim Dawoud bin al-Qassim al-Ja`fari said: I was with Imam abu al-Hassan (as) when his son abu Ja`far died -and he had pointed to him and appointed him- So I started thinking to myself: “This is similar to the case of Imam abu Ibrahim (as) and Isma`il.” so abu al-Hassan (as) came to me and said: “Yes O abu Hashim, it appeared to Allah in abu Ja`far and he replaced him with abu Muhammad, it also appeared to Allah in Isma`il after his father abu `Abdullah had pointed to him and appointed him, it is exactly as you thought to yourself even if the haters will hate. abu Muhammad my son is my successor after me, he has what you need and the Imamah praise be to Allah.”

source: Ghaybat al-Tusi, page 200.
grading: SAHIH.

In other words, al-Saduq is clueless because this is an authentic Shia narration with a chain of trustworthy Imami Shia, No Isma`ilis, No Zaydis.

Also it turns out this happened twice, not just with Isma`il and Musa, but it also happened with the children of `Ali al-Hadi, Muhammad and Hasan.

al-Bada’ x 2 

; )

By Hani (
Salam `Aleykum,


Filed under Revealing Shia sect, Shiite's sahih hadith

7 responses to “Shia belief of “al-Bada'”

  1. SupertruthOnly

    THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING – even though the intention of the writer was to EVIL (i.e. to ridicule Shias.)

    In quran, we read the warning of Shaitan to Allah (swt):

    (Iblees (Satan)) said: “O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. (Quran, al-Hijr: 39).

    “(Iblees) said: ‘Because You have sent me astray, surely, I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on YOUR STRAIGHT PATH. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)’” (Quran, Al-Aaraf: 16,17).

    DO YOU THINK IF THERE ARE DEVIATED PEOPLE IN SUNNI THERE WILL BE NO DEVIATED PEOPLE AMONGST SHIAS? — Sunni have so many factions at each others throat and as such though Shias do not fight each other, they too have many factions.
    AS PER THE WARNING OF SHAITAN – AND – we see Muslims break up into 73 factions AND only one is on the true Path.

    JUST as we see 1000’s of forged hadith leveled against Prophet(s) in the sahi sitaat – Do you expect liars would not stand up to distort the teachings of the infallible Imams of the Ahlul bayt?

    One should see the filth in their own books first before finding faults with others, How can a person who is naked laugh at the nakedness of others?

    • Hugh Slaman

      Why doesn’t this SuperTrashOnly character for once *start* his/her comments by talking about the actual topic of the post he/she is replying to?
      This post was about “Bada'”. Then SuperTrashOnly starts by talking about Shaitan, and ends up talking about filth and nakedness; maybe these are the topics dear to him/her?

      • It is typical of the Twelver Shias. They always go off-topic.

      • SupertruthOnly

        Seems as if on this forum there are only two participants
        Two deaf people supporting each other, in mischief –

        Deaf, because they never get the message contained in the post.

        Shaitan warned that he will sit on the path of Righteous to mis-guide them.
        Shaitan does not need to misguide idol worshippers because they are already misguided (destined to Hell).

        In the article by al Hani, shaitans sitting on sirat al Mustaqeem trying to distort the truth with fitnah, And the two mischief mongers on this forum support each other in cheering him.

  2. Hugh Slaman

    SupertrollOnly says:
    “Deaf, because they never get the message contained in the post.”
    On the contrary, I always “get the message” in your tedious, poorly written posts, because I have heard these messages many times before, and I have refuted them many times before.
    I’m just wondering why you can’t say something relevant to the topic here, i.e. the Shia belief in Bada

  3. Hugh Slaman

    Do you believe in al-Bada, SupertruthOnly?

  4. Hugh Slaman

    Where did SupertruthOnly go?
    These people waste our time with irrelevancies, and soon as we ask them a direct question, they are nowhere to be found.

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