Infallible Imams disagree on the verse of Quran


By Hani (aka TripolySunni)
Posted and Edited by 13S2010. 

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

Salam ‘Aleykum,

a. One infallible Imam says:

al-Kafi: vol.5 pg.448

عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ وَ عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ جَمِيعاً عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي نَجْرَانَ عَنْ عَاصِمِ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا جَعْفَرٍ ( عليه السلام ) عَنِ الْمُتْعَةِ فَقَالَ نَزَلَتْ فِي الْقُرْآنِ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَ لا جُناحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيما تَراضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْ بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ .

Some of our companions, from Sahl bin Ziyad and ‘Ali bin Ibrahim from his father, all of them from ibn abi Najran from ‘Assim bin Humayd, from abu Baseer: I asked abu Ja’far (as) about the Mut’ah, he (as) said: it was revealed in the Quran: “So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation.”

Majlisi 20/225: “Hasan like Sahih.”

b. The other infallible Imam says:

al-Kafi: vol.5 pg.449

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَمَّنْ ذَكَرَهُ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ إِنَّمَا نَزَلَتْ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً .
‘Ali bin Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi ‘Umayr from abu ‘Abdullah (as) that he said: It has been revealed: “So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, to an appointed time, give them their due compensation as an obligation.”

Majlisi 20/227: “Hasan.”

Should we go with Abū ‘Abdillāh or with Abū Jafar here? is there “to an appointed time” or isn’t there? Check Suran Nisa Verse 24. 

(Both are narrated from Ibrahim bin Hashim)

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4 responses to “Infallible Imams disagree on the verse of Quran

  1. saf

    This is just a reportage.There could exist differences in reporting. this is also found in Sunni sources.the phrase ” to an appointed time” is found in the following sunni sources:
    Abu Nadhra said: Ibn Abbas (RA) recited the verse 4:24 with the addition of “to an appointed time”. I said to him: “I did not read it this way.” Ibn Abbas replied: “I swear by Allah, this is how Allah revealed it,” and Ibn Abbas repeated this statement three times.”

    Sunni references:

    Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p177, Tradition #9038
    Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha’labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Jubair.

    also:

    Abu Nadhra said: I asked Ibn Abbas about temporary marriage (Mut’a of women). Ibn Abbas (RA) said: “Do you not read ‘For whatever you enjoyed (Istamta’tum) them by the contract to an appointed time’?” I said: “If I would have read it this way, I wouldn’t ask you (about temporary marriage)!” He replied: “Certainly the verse is about it.”

    Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p177, Traditions #9036-9037

    It is also narrated that:

    al-Suddy (RA) said: “The verse ‘So for those of whom you have had pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time’ is about Mut’a, that is, a man marries a woman with a provision (i.e., dowry) for a fixed period of time and makes two witnesses, and (if virgin,) he asks the permission of her guardian, and when the time period is expired, they should separate and they will not inherit each other.”

    Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p176, Tradition #9033

    Moreover:

    Abu Karib said Yahya said: “I saw a book with Nasir in which it was: ‘So for whatever you have had of pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time.'”

    Sunni references:

    Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, pp 176-177, Tradition #9035
    Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha’labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Ibn Abi Thabit.

    Another companion, Ubay Ibn Ka’ab (who based on authentic Sunni sources the Prophet ordered the companions to trust him in the matter of Quran as one of the three trustee persons in this regard. See Sahih al-Bukhari, English, vol. 6, Tradition #521) also mentioned that additional phrase:

    Qatadah (RA) said: “The way that Ubay Ibn Ka’ab recited the verse was: ‘So for those of whom you enjoyed by the contract to an appointed time.'”

    Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p178, Tradition #9041

    Beside the above mentioned authorities, there were others such as Sa’id Ibn Jubair, Abi Is’haq, and Umay who have also mentioned this extra phrase when reading this verse.

  2. How can infallible Imam disagree , The Prophet of Islam and all his infallible successors carrying the same flesh and blood just can not differ , your perception , reporting , translation, interpretition may differ but if you are trying to plant differences , that is your affairs , for us muslims who have faith in Rasool e Kareem and His infallible successors who are 12 from Ali ibne Abi Talib (a s)to the Hazrat Aakhiruzzamaan ajjalal laho Farajahum , they speak the same , they act the same and they practice the same .
    It is the wrong perception , Nikah and Mutah both allowed and are the same , even the seeghas to be recited are the same except for the word of Mutah and Nikah respectively , though both have fool proof rules and regulations , if one want to defy them then there are several methods even in the most commonly practiced Nikah . Don’t you have the provision to Tilaq immediately after the Nikah and then there is that abnoxious haram provision of threeTalaq which came from which fiqah I don’t care but is definitely an apparent innovation.
    It is inscurplous , unauthorised peoples who during their dispotic rule did the innovation of disallowing a perfectly Halal act of MutaH . iT IS a different story that in this era hardly any one is found having opted for Mutah , yes but with the Wahabi Sunni outfit you have an altogather new innvation which do not have any sanction in Islam , neither existed during the time of Mohammad (saaws) nor has any mention in Qora’an nor an authentic Hadees and is very much akin to a some what organised way of prostitution and a fovorite pastime of the people who are by a stroke of Luck have the privillage of having to earn the spoils of the most Sacred Harmain Sharifain in the Islamic state of Arabia, ruled by the jewish turned Wahabis -Salafis dynesty .. .

  3. Brother, the first narration is weak . sahl ibn ziyad is criticized by shia muhadiths

    .[1/1] ابنالغضائري /ج 1 /ص67 : كان ضعيفا جدا فاسد الرواية و الدين و كان أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى الأشعري أخرجه من قم و أظهر البراءة منه و نهى الناس عن السماع منه و الرواية عنه و يروي المراسيل و يعتمد المجاهيل

    [1/1] فهرستالطوسي /ص228 : ضعيف

    [1/2] رجالالكشي /ص566 : قال علي بن محمد القتيبي سمعت الفضل بن شاذان يقول في أبي الخير و هو صالح بن سلمة أبي حماد الرازي كما كني و قال علي كان أبو محمد الفضل يرتضيه و يمدحه و لا يرتضي أبو سعيد الآدمي أبا سعيد الآدمي و يقول هو الأحمق

    [1/1] رجالالنجاشي /ص185 : كان ضعيفا في الحديث غير معتمد فيه و كان أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى يشهد عليه بالغلو و الكذب و أخرجه من قم إلى الري و كان يسكنها

    Three have criticized him

    See here :

    http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/?mod=rejal &start=60&end=70

  4. Anum

    This goes out to all shias who have tried to defend themselves on this blog. Please stop. Donot waste your time . The truth is there for those who see it and those who cant will never see it. We are the lovers of the Ahle Bait. We donot need to say anything else. Please donot waste your time here. And for the sunnis out there we come from the same Ummah we are the followers of the Prophet Muhammad. And all muslims are brothers not all sunis or shias so please just stop. if you have doubts read peshawar nights by charles ali campbell. and if your a follower of Abu Sufyan then no comments. My Imam will come and you will see.

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