Infallible Imams contradict each other

Article by Hani (aka TripolySunni)
Posted by 13S2010

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

In the authentic narrations of the Imams there are direct contradictions as usual, they are infallible after all…

al-`Allamah al-Helli said in “Mukhtalaf al-Shia” vol.1 pg.261:

اتفق أكثر علمائنا على أن المذي لا ينقض الوضوء ولا أعلم فيه مخالفا منا

[Most of our scholars agreed that al-Madhi(1) does not invalidate Wudhu(Ablution) and I do not know anyone who differs from us except ibn al-Junaid]

(1) al-Madhi: Is the prostatic fluid, a substance that comes out of a man’s organ during foreplay before ejaculation.

al-`Allamah al-Helli writes this narration on page 262 of “al-Mukhtalaf“:

مختلف الشيعة – العلامة الحلي – ج ١ – الصفحة ٢٦٢
في الصحيح عن زيد الشحام، قال: قلت لأبي عبد الله عليه السلام: المذي ينقض الوضوء؟ قال: لا، ولا يغسل منه الثوب، ولا الجسد، إنما هو بمنزلة البصاق، والمخاط
تهذيب الأحكام: ج ١، ص ١٧، ح ٤٠ وفيه ” البزاق والمخاط “.

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و البزاق‌ و البساق‌ و البصاق‌ بضم‌ الجميع‌: ريق‌ الفم‌. و المخاط بالضم‌:
‌ما يسيل‌ ‌من‌ الأنف‌.

[In the SAHIH from Zaid al-Shahham that he said: I said to abu `Abdullah (as): Does al-Madhi invalidate Wudhu? he (as) said: “No, and the clothes are not to be washed nor the body, for it is similar to spit and mucus.”]

al-`Allamah al-Majlisi said in “Malaath al-Akhiyaar” vol.1 page 97: SAHIH.

al-Helli also writes this narration on page 262 of “al-Mukhtalaf“:

الموثق عن إسحاق بن عمار عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: سألته عن المذي، قال إن عليا عليه السلام كان مذاء فاستحيا أن يسأل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله لمكان فاطمة عليها السلام فأمر المقداد أن يسأله وهو جالس فسأله فقال له: ليس بشئ
تهذيب الأحكام: ج ١، ص ١٧، ح ٣٩ مع اختلاف يسير.
ملاذ الأخيار ج1 ص96

[In the Muwaththaq from Ishaq bin `Ammar, from abu `Abdillah (as) that he said: `Ali’s (as) Madhi used to flow readily, so he was ashamed from asking the Prophet (SAWS) because Fatima (as) was there, so he asked al-Miqdad to ask him while he sat, so he asked him and he (SAWS) said: “It is nothing.“]

al-`Allamah al-Majlisi said in “Malaath al-Akhiyaar” vol.1 page 96: Muwaththaq.

And I want the readers to notice how their authentic narration directly contradicts the true authentic narration of Ahlul-Sunnah:

عن المقداد بن الأسود أن علياً رضي الله عنه قال: كنت رجلاً مذّاءً فاستحييت أن أسأل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لمكان ابنته مني، فأمرت المقداد فسأله، فقال: يغسل ذكره ويتوضأ

[al-Miqdad (ra) narrated: `Ali bin abi Talib (ra) said: I was one whose Madhi flowed readily and I was ashamed to ask the Messenger (SAWS) about it, because of the relation of his daughter. I, therefore, asked Miqdad bin al-Aswad and he inquired of him (SAWS). He (SAWS) said: “He should wash his male organ and perform ablution.” ]

source: Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

Of course the Shia will say we “Nawasib” invented it… yes of course, because the Nawasb were such clean people who loved cleanliness so they washed their feet and organs all the time, they were also very chaste so I suppose they also invented anti-Mut`ah narrations, may Allah guide the deviant Shia and heal them.

but here’s the deal, al-Helli also quoted this narration from Tahtheeb al-Ahkam 1/18:

محمد بن إسماعيل في الصحيح، قال: سألت الرضا عليه السلام عن المذي فأمرني بالوضوء منه، ثم أعدت عليه في سنة أخرى فأمرني بالوضوء وقال: إن علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام أمر المقداد بن الأسود أن يسأل النبي صلى الله عليه وآله واستحيا أن يسأله فقال: فيه الوضوء
تهذيب الأحكام: ج ١، ص 18، ح 42.

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و الأولي‌ حمل‌ الخبر ‌علي‌ التقية ‌في‌ ‌الحكم‌ و النقل‌، ‌لأن‌ وجوب‌ الوضوء و الخبر بهذا المضمون‌ ‌من‌ المشهورات‌ بينهم‌، فلذا نقل‌ ‌عليه‌ ‌السلام‌ الخبر موافقا لهم‌ تقية.

[Muhammad bin Isma`eel in the SAHIH said: I asked al-Reda (as) regarding al-Madhi so he ordered me to make Wudhu from it, then I repeated the question in the next year and he again told me to make Wudhu, he (as) said: `Ali bin abi Talib (as) asked al-Miqdad bin al-Aswad to ask the Prophet (SAWS) when he felt shy from asking him, so he (SAWS) replied: “He must make the Wudhu.”]

al-`Allamah al-Majlisi said in “Malaath al-Akhiyaar” vol.1 page 98: SAHIH.


This is the type of self contradicting guidance we’re talking about… al-Tusi tried to reconcile by saying it is Mustahabb while al-Majlisi went for his best scholarly excuse… taqiyyah.

And as the Quranic verse goes:

{If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.} [4:82]

But the Shia seem to follow another saying in their religion:

“If it had been from other than Allah, then it has to be Taqiyyah.”

Allahu Musta`aan

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