The Contradictions Of Shiasm


Article By Farid 
Posted by 13S2010

Alsalam alaykum,

These are all my personal views, and most of you [Shia Members] here will disagree with my conclusions. However, I know that deep down, you will agree with some of my points.

As everyone knows, lies, in Islam, were firstly attributed to the Prophet (صلی الله علیه واله). There is no doubt about this. However, with the passage of time, hadith fabricators noticed that there are others whose views have weight as well. These include, the sahaba, the scholars of the tabi’een, and yes, some of the descendants of the Prophet (صلی الله علیه واله). The great thing about attributing narrations to these three groups is that there is a bigger chance of these fabrications being overlooked. This can be easily observed today, since we have collections of forged narrations like that of Ibn Al-Jawzi. These mainly revolve around the Prophet (صلی الله علیه واله) and nobody else, since it is natural that the scholars will focus their efforts on cleansing the hadith of the Prophet (صلی الله علیه واله) from the fabrications.

Carrying on, we do not find too much confusion in the hadiths of the early Imams. We do not find much confusion being attributed to Ali, or his two sons, or Zain Al-Abideen to the extent that we find with the latter Imams. Here, I am talking about Shia sources of hadith, of course.

Reasons for fabrications in both sects are usually similar. They include political motivations, financial (i.e. sadaqa related, fruit vendor narrations, etc), fiqhi viewspersonal opinions, mathhab based, etc.

There is no doubt that the majority of the contradictions that occur in Shia hadiths can be found in the narrations of Al-Baqir and Al-Sadiq. Without coming at this with any modern Shia preconceptions, it seems as though these contradictions are the cause of fabrications. You see, both Al-Sadiq and Al-Baqir were from Al-Madinah, when most of their students were from Kufa. It is not hard to imagine that the distance from the two Imams gave them the ability to freely attribute false narrations to them.

However, one day, something strange happened. A man, in Kufa, attributed something to Al-Sadiq that contradicted one of his known views. This could be anything from a view on salatzakattafseer, etc. The Kufan, had nowhere to run. He was caught lying without a doubt, since the view of Al-Sadiq was a popular one that was transmitted by several students. At that point, he said, “He said this out of taqiyyah!” 

From that day onwards, taqiyyah became a cop-out for the contradictions within Shiasm. Every single lying Kufan can freely attribute whatever they wish to the Imam without fearing any repercussions.

Now, to be fair, I cannot simply blame this on the Kufans. It is also very likely that many of these fabrications occurred in Qum. However, there are roots to these issues that seem to have started in an earlier time, like the narration of Zurarah oftaqiyyah in Al-Kamil by Ibn Adi.

Carrying on, with the progression of time, scholars within the Imami circles emerged, and with them, their own sub-sects. Refer to Firaq Al-Shia by Al-Nawbakhti for the details. Hisham bin Al-Hakam, Hisham bin Salim, and Yunus bin Abdulrahman each had their own sub-sect with their own views on issues regarding ideology. Ironically, each sect, with their followers, attributed false narrations to the Imams in order to hurt the other sect. See the biographies of these men in Rijal Al-Kashshi, for they are filled with praise and condemnations of each of the sub-sect leaders.

Ironically, this happen within Sunnis circles as well, which is extremely natural when different sects try to one-up each other. Perhaps the most notorious example is the Hanafi narration that says, “Upon my nation will come a man that will be more harmful than Iblees, his name is Mohammed bin Idrees (Al-Shafi’ee), and Abu Hanifa is the bright light of my nation.” However, Sunni scholars, toss these narrations in the garbage bin, and treat them as fabrications, since the narrators are not reliable in the first place.

Sadly, this is not the view that many Shias hold towards these fabrications. Instead of rejecting the questionable narrations, we find them accepting BOTH the narrations of praise AND condemnations towards the leaders of the sub-sects. This is strangely explained away by arguing that the Imams condemned these men because of their closeness towards the Imams, and they didn’t want people to be aware of their closeness to them. Takim, the academic, argues that if this was the case, then the great Mohammed bin Abi Umair should have been condemned, and he never was, which landed him in prison for several years. Therefore, it isn’t logical to argue the Imams cursed and condemned people for their own safety, since the people that needed it the most didn’t receive it.

Taqiyyah, as a whole is extremely questionable. I have recently brought this up in another thread, and I don’t see a reason to include it here as well, for the benefit of all. In many cases, the specific rulings that the Imam is using taqiyyah for is an acceptable Sunni view. One member here argued that some early Sunnis wiped their feet instead of washing. I agreed. Yet, if that was the case, then why would the Imam need taqiyyah? If Sunnis weren’t being tortured or killed for these views, then why would the Imams be treated differently for those specifics? As we all know, Ibn Abbas believed that muta’a washalal. If Ja’afar Al-Sadiq said that muta’a was halal and that he was following the fatwa of Ibn Abbas, then who could lay a finger on him? Once again, let us not forget that this is Ja’afar Al-Sadiq we are talking about, a major Sunni scholar according to the Sunnis themselves.

Now, this may seem problematic to most of the Shia brothers here, but the more knowledgeable brothers know the answer to the above. You see, the will tell you that the Imams didn’t simply give conflicting narrations when they were in fear for their lives. No, they gave conflicting narrations for the sake of confusion, so that reliance will be on the Imams themselves instead of the Shias that have received the fatwas. Please refer to hadith #5 in Baab Ikhtilaaf Al-Hadith in Al-Kafi. I would appreciate it if someone with an English translation of it includes the narration here for the benefit of all.

This is sort of confusing though and I haven’t found a reasonable explanation for this. Let us say that the Imam taught Shia X that Isma’eel is the sacrificial son of Ibrahim. Then, he thought Shia Y that Ishaaq is the sacrificial son of Ibrahim. We would have these two conflicting views, and we wouldn’t be able to rely upon Shia X or Shia Y for information, and we would have to go to the Imam. However, Shia Z, when going to the Imam, will have a 50% chance of receiving the wrong answer. So, it doesn’t make sense for one to rely on the Imam when he is giving conflicting answers.

Technically, this leads us to the next gimmick that was used by early Shias. These are hadiths in which the Imams teach, “Do not reject any hadith you hear attributed to us.” Like the taqiyyah hadiths, these seem to have been formed when particular narrators felt that their narrations were being doubted. To put an end to this, they included explanations, which were attributed to the Imams, as to why it is forbidden for narrations for be rejected. I have briefly discussed this issue in THIS thread, but I was not satisfied with the answers I received. To keep it short. It seems as though no Shi’ee can objectively accept this hadith, since Shias reject Sunni narrations attributed to the Prophet (صلی الله علیه واله) and Ali, when found in Sunni sources. The only proper interpretation that can be applied to this hadith is: Do not reject any hadith (that is transmitted to you through a trustworthy source). This is a much more logical approach.

In any case, due to all the above, I find that Shiasm is a complete mess of contradictions.

However, I am not here to simply bash Shiasm. There are a few very simple methods that can be applied to fix these problems. The first is to correct one’s understanding of the hadith of: “Do not reject our hadiths,” to my suggested reasoning. The second, is to reject that every contradiction has occurred due to taqiyyah. The third, is to apply rijal to the narrations, and with that, you will actually get rid of most of the contradictions that you find in Shia hadiths. This has been applied by early Shia scholars, so there is no reason that you shouldn’t apply the same. I have discussed this thoroughly inTHIS thread.

May Allah guide us all.

(Inshallah, this will be my last thread and post. I know I have had a hard time keeping away from this place in the past, but real life has taken over unfortunately. So, I wish you all the best with everything.)

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7 responses to “The Contradictions Of Shiasm

  1. salaams brother, i like you and your assumed forthrightness, at least your apologetic about your prejudice, you certainly sound like someone a person can speak to even with vast differences, and yes youre right, i can agree with most of what you say but really do disagree with some of your conclusions, go well brother

  2. There can not be any contradiction in Islam .Shia Islam is not based on traditions and narrations , which may be true , false or fabricated . Shia Islam is based on Qora’an and Ahlebayt and as far as Ahlebayt e Rasool (saaws) it is true that ” Awwalana, wa ausatana, wa Aakherana wa kullona Mohahammad(s) they are all immaculate and infallible , therefore there can not be any element of contradiction in a faith propagated by them by their practical life and shall continue to do so till the qayamah..

    • Of Course there is no contradiction in Islam but there is contradiction in Shiism. Shiism is not based on Quran and Ahlulbayt but on false and fabricated narrations attributed to Ahlulbayt (ra). Many of your great scholars don’t even believe that Quran is perfect and some of them even wrote whole book just to prove the corruption of Quran i.e. “Faslul Khitab fee Tahreef Kitab Rabbul Arbab” which means “The Decisive Speech Concerning the Distortion of the Book of the Lord of Lords” by Shia Scholar Nuri Tabrasi.

      List of Shia Scholars and their belief in Tahreef of Quran

      A list of 101 Shia scholars who believed in Tahreef of Quran

    • and although sunnis may SAY that they is no tahreef, there are many sunni hadith which says the opposite, but as zaheer says elsewhere, you waste you time with trivialities while you and your ilk “in the name of our lord” and “in the way of allah swt” SAY they are anti usa etc but killl murder suicide bomb indiscriminately even SUNNI muslims in afghanistan, iraq, pakistan etc, can you imagine how they do it to shia if they are so brutal to their own? have you spoken out against such atrocities yet?

      • Those Sunni Hadeeths talk about the abrogation not Tahreef. You need to learn the difference. On the other hand in Shiism there are more than 2000 narrations about Tahreef. Even Shia scholar Majlisi says the narrations about tahreef are not less than the narration of Imamate. As I mentioned earlier many of your great scholars wrote entire books to prove the corruption of Quran. Yet they are respected by Shia. If there was a Sunni scholar like that Sunnis (Muslims) would declare him a Kafir. But in Shiism such scholars are respected.

        Secondly, we the People of Sunnah reject all kinds of terrorism. Those Suicide Bombings are Haram and those who commit it are followers of Satan not Islam. We have always condemned those inhuman acts. Also read the Fatwa of top ‘wahabi’ scholar Salih al-fawzan. He called these suicide bombers the followers of Shaitan.

      • salaams brother, really brother, get a life, ive read enough of our sunni hadeeth even before i started to even know about shiasm that indicate incompleteness etc of quran, dont play the semantic game, ok so one scholar says its haraam? what about the others who say its “game” to kill the shia? its happening every day all the time, just yesterday 70 were killed in iraq, you should be shouting from the minarets and every friday khutba about this scourge but you dont, even here in south africa the hate comes from friday sermons, by the way a wahabi maulana even called fellow sunni ulama council of about 200 alims plus a bunch of kuffaar for not accepting their halaal rules and regulations, point is also as you accept to be true, those misguided perpetrators are sunni not so? so sunnis can be guilty of ,,,,,see my point?

      • There is no such Hadeeth in Muslim books. We Muslims believe that any who believes that Quran is corrupted is not Muslim. But in Shiism they are praised. You see the difference. Narrations of Tahreef in Shia books are not only Mutawatir but also not less than the narrations of Imamate. Your great majlisi says this. Those shia scholars who wrote whole books to prove the corruption of Quran are praised and loved by Shia and some of them were even buried next the Shrine of their Imams.

        Regarding the killings: There is no Sunni scholar who says kill Shias. It is actually Shia scholars who give Fatwa to kill Muslims. Look what is happening in Iraq. Shia terrorist groups i.e. Mahdi Militia funded and trained in Iran killed and massacred thousands of Sunni Muslim. Shia have always did this. Whenever they take power they reveal their real faces. Their sect is based on hatred and revenge. The Shia narrations even say that sparrows love Abubakr & Umar (Ra) so they should be killed. Look at the hatred.

        Look at Syria. Shia Alawite terrorist groups (supported and trained by Iran) have massacred thousands and the killing continues.

        Look at Iran. Hundreds of great Sunni scholars have been assassinated by the regime militias. And many are in Prison. You don’t even know this. The hatred is so much that Sunnis are not even allowed to have a Mosque in Tehran. Do you want Muslim countries to apply same law on Shia minorities? i.e. No Mosque in Capital.

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