Did Umar[ra] ran away from battle of Hunain


First let us see who the true coward is from the books of the Shia and according to their biggest scholars:

al-Tusi in his book al-Ghaybah page 203, al-Murtada in his book al-Shafi volume 4 page 149 and al-Mufid in his book al-Fusoul al-Mukhtarah page 395:

لا سبب للغيبة ولا علة تمنعه من الظهور الا خوف الامام على نفسه من القتل

The only reason behind the ghaybah (occultation) of the Mahdi and the reason that he cannot appear is that he fears that he will be killed.

Comment: Seems shia mehdi never ever dare to come near the battle ground!! Running away is far-far thing..😉

Now, lets come to the topic:

shia will accuse ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) of being a coward and running away from the battle of Hunain without providing evidence, they base their silly accusation on a narration of Bukhari that doesn’t really serve their purpose at all as you will read:

أَبَا قَتَادَةَ، قَالَ: لَمَّا كَانَيَوْمَ حُنَيْنٍ نَظَرْتُ إِلَى رَجُلٍ مِنَ المُسْلِمِينَ يُقَاتِلُ رَجُلًا مِنَالمُشْرِكِينَ، وَآخَرُ مِنَ المُشْرِكِينَ يَخْتِلُهُ مِنْ وَرَائِهِ لِيَقْتُلَهُ،فَأَسْرَعْتُ إِلَى الَّذِي يَخْتِلُهُ، فَرَفَعَ يَدَهُ لِيَضْرِبَنِي وَأَضْرِبُيَدَهُ فَقَطَعْتُهَا، ثُمَّ أَخَذَنِي فَضَمَّنِي ضَمًّا شَدِيدًا، حَتَّى تَخَوَّفْتُ،ثُمَّ تَرَكَ، فَتَحَلَّلَ، وَدَفَعْتُهُ ثُمَّ قَتَلْتُهُ، وَانْهَزَمَ المُسْلِمُونَوَانْهَزَمْتُ مَعَهُمْ، فَإِذَا بِعُمَرَ بْنِ الخَطَّابِ فِي النَّاسِ، فَقُلْتُلَهُ: مَا شَأْنُ النَّاسِ؟ قَالَ: أَمْرُ اللَّهِ

Narrated Abu Qatada: We set out in the company of Allah’s Apostle on the day (of the battle) of Hunain. When we faced the enemy, the Muslims retreated and I saw a pagan throwing himself over a Muslim. I turned around and came upon him from behind and hit him on the shoulder with the sword He (i.e. the pagan) came towards me and seized me so violently that I felt as if it were death itself, but death overtook him and he released me. I followed ‘Umar bin Al Khattab and asked (him), “What is wrong with the people(fleeing)?” He replied, “This is the Will of Allah,” After the people returned, the Prophet sat and said, “Anyone who has killed an enemy and has a proof of that, will posses his spoils.” [Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 53, Hadith 370]

Note: It says: “إنهزم المسلمون وإنهزمت معهم فإذا ‏ ‏بعمر بن الخطاب ‏ ‏في الناس ” “And the Muslims were defeated and I was defeated with them, Suddenly I met ‘Umar amongst the people” –>In no dimension in no universe does it say that ‘Umar (ra) ran away, just like it doesn’t say ‘Ali (ra) ran away or Salman (ra) or Ibn al-‘Abbas (ra).

Comment: The narration does not mention that ‘Umar (ra) ran away nor does it mention anything really but based on this text the Shia will claim that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) abandoned the prophet SAWS thus he’s a Kaffir. The Shia as usual will twist any text and come up with any explanation to make Takfeer on ‘Umar (ra) because of their pure hatred.

If the Muslims were to have that same mentality against ‘Ali ibn abi Talib (kw) for example we could say that ‘Ali (kw) is also a Kaffir for running away because Abu Qatada clearly says in the Hadith: “The Muslims Retreated” and in another version he says “And the Muslims were Defeated and I was Defeated with them”, so any evil Nasibi can use the exact same logic as the Shia and accuse ‘Ali instead of ‘Umar.

The reality of the matter is that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab and Abu Bakr (ra) and others from amongst the Mouhajirun and the Ansar have stood their ground and defended the prophet SAWS unlike what the lying Shi’ites claim!

We read the SAHIH Hadith in “Musnad Ahmad” volume 23 page 274 Hadith #14731:

حديث مرفوع حَدَّثَنَا يَعْقُوبُ , حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي , عَنِابْنِ إِسْحَاقَ , عَنْ عَاصِمِ بْنِ عُمَرَ بْنِ قَتَادَةَ , عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِبْنِ جَابِرٍ , عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ
فَانْطَلَقَ النَّاسُ إِلَّا أَنَّ مَعَ رَسُولِ اللهِ صَلَّىاللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَهْطًا مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ، وَأَهْلِ بَيْتِهِغَيْرَ كَثِيرٍ، ثَبَتَ مَعَهُ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَعُمَرُ،وَمِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِهِ، عَلِيُّ بْنُ أَبِي طَالِبٍ، وَالْعَبَّاسُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْمُطَّلِبِ،وَابْنُهُ الْفَضْلُ بْنُ عَبَّاسٍ، وَأَبُو سُفْيَانَ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ، وَرَبِيعَةُبْنُ الْحَارِثِ، وَأَيْمَنُ بْنُ عُبَيْدٍ وَهُوَ ابْنُ أُمِّ أَيْمَنَ، وَأُسَامَةُبْنُ زَيْدٍ، قَالَ: وَرَجُلٌ مِنْ هَوَازِنَ عَلَى جَمَلٍ لَهُ أَحْمَرَ فِي يَدِهِرَايَةٌ لَهُ سَوْدَاءُ فِي رَأْسِ رُمْحٍ طَوِيلٍ لَهُ أَمَامَ النَّاسِ، وَهَوَازِنُخَلْفَهُ

Ya’qoub narrated from his Father from Ibn Ishaq from ‘Assim ibn ‘Umar bin Qatada from ‘Abdul-Rahman ibn Jabir from Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah: The people retreated but the Prophet SAWS was accompanied by a group from the Mouhajirun and the Ansar and his Ahlul-Bayt, Those who held their ground and stayed with him were Abu Bakr an ‘Umar and from his Ahlul-Bayt ‘Ali ibn abi Talib and al-‘Abbas bin ‘Abdul-Mutallib and his son al-Fadl and Abu Suffiyan bin al-Harith and Raba’iyah bin al-Harith and Ayman bin ‘Ubeid and he is ibn Umm-Ayman and Usamah ibn Zaid, he said: and a Man from Hawzan (until the end of the narration).

This is also mentioned in the book “Majma’a al-Zawaed” under “Kitab al-Maghazi wal Siyar” in the chapter “Ghazwat Hunein” Hadith # 10265:

وعن جابر بن عبد الله قال : لما استقبلنا وادي حنين قال : انحدرنا في واد من أودية تهامة أجوف حطوط إنما ننحدر فيه انحدارا ، قال : وفي عماية الصبح ، وقد كان القوم قد كمنوا لنا في شعابه ، وفي أجنابه ، ومضائقه ، قد أجمعوا وتهيئوا وأعدوا
قال : فوالله ما راعنا ونحن منحطون إلا الكتائب قد شدت علينا شدة رجل واحد ، وانهزم الناس راجعين فانشمروا لا يلوي أحد على أحد
وانحاز رسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – ذات اليمين ، ثم قال : ” إلي أيها الناس ، إلا أن مع رسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – رهطا من المهاجرين والأنصار ، وأهل بيته غير كثير
وفي من ثبت معه أبو بكر وعمر ، عليهما السلام ، ومن أهل بيته علي بن أبي طالب ، والعباس بن عبد المطلب ، وابنه الفضل بن عباس ، وأبو سفيان بن الحارث ، وربيعة بن الحارث ، وأيمن بن عبيد وهو ابن أم أيمن ، وأسامة بن زيد ، عليهما السلام
قال : ورجل من هوازن على جمل له أحمر ، في يده راية له سوداء في رأس رمح له طويل أمام الناس وهوازن خلفه ، فإذا أدرك طعن برمحه ، فإذا فاته الناس رفع لمن وراءه فاتبعوه

So as we can clearly see from the authentic texts a group from the Mouhajirun and the Ansar remained with the prophet SAWS when the people retreated and amongst them were Abu Bakr and ‘Umar may Allah be pleased with them, and not only did ‘Umar (ra) fight but he also received two female captives as recorded in Bukhari:

Narrated Nafi: ‘Umar binAl-Khattab said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I vowed to observe Itikaf for one day during the Pre-lslamic period.” The Prophet ordered him to fulfill his vow. ‘Umar gained two lady captives from the war prisoners of hunain and he left them in some of the houses at Mecca. When Allah’s Apostle freed the captives of hunain without ransom, they came out-walking in the streets. ‘Umar said (to his son), “O Abdullah! See what is the matter.” ‘Abdullah replied, “Allah’s Apostle has freed the captives without ransom.” He said (to him), “Go and set free those two slave girls.” [Sahih al-Bukhari Book 53 Hadith 372]

Here are few more sources as a proof [we actually don’t need this because i already presented SAHIH hadith but below sources are just for info]:

1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir

There remained between a hundred and eighty Companions with the Prophet . These included Abu Bakr, `Umar, Al-`Abbas, `Ali, Al-Fadl bin `Abbas, Abu Sufyan bin Al-Harith, Ayman the son of Umm Ayman and Usamah bin Zayd.

2. Al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya of Ibn Kathir

البداية والنهاية
لأبن كثير

فلما رأى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أمر الناس ومعه رهط من أهل بيته‏:‏ علي بن أبي طالب، وأبو سفيان ابن الحارث بن عبد المطلب، وأخوه ربيعة بن الحارث بن عبد المطلب، والفضل بن العباس، وقيل الفضيل بن أبي سفيان، وأيمن ابن أم أيمن، وأسامة بن زيد‏.‏
ومن الناس من يزيد فيهم قثم بن العباس، ورهط من المهاجرين‏:‏ منهم أبو بكر، وعمر، والعباس آخذ بحكمة بغلته البيضاء وهو عليها قد شجرها‏.‏

It mentions the names of those who stood firm with prophet…(and group of Al-Ansar: Among them Abu Bakr, Umar and Abbas…)

3. Al-Seera Al-Nabawi of ibn Hisham

السيرة النبوية
لإبن هشام

من ثبت معه صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏:‏
وفيمن ثبت معه من المهاجرين أبو بكر وعمر ، ومن أهل بيته علي بن أبي طالب والعباس بن عبدالمطلب ، وأبو سفيان بن الحارث ، وابنه ، والفضل بن العباس ، وربيعة بن الحارث ، وأسامة بن زيد ، وأيمن بن عبيد ، قتل يومئذ ‏.‏

Those who stood firm with the Messenger :
And those who stood firm with him from among the Muhajirin were Abu Bakr and Umar, and from Ahlul Bait Ali bin Abi Talib and Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib…

4.  Tariq Al-Rusool Wal-Mulook

رواية الطبري في كتابه تاريخ الرسل والملوك التي ذكر فيها ثبات سيدنا ابوبكر وعمر وعلي رضي الله عنهما يوم حنين
إلا أنه قد بقي مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نفر من المهاجرين والأنصار وأهل بيته. وممن ثبت معه من المهاجرين أبو بكر، عمر، ومن أهل بيته علي بن أبي طالب، والعباس بن عبد المطلب، وأبنه الفضل، وأبو سفيان بن الحارث،

At-Tabari narrated in his book Tariq Al-Rusool Wal-Mulook where he mentions the firmness of Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali (may Allah be pleased with them all) on the day of Al-Hunain.

There remain with Messenger of Allah (saw) group of Muhajirin and Ansar and from his Ahlul Bait. And among those who stood firm from Al-Muhajirin were Abu Bakr, Umar and from his Ahlul Bait Ali bin Abi Talib, Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib,…

5. Al-Maghazi

المغـازي للواقـدي

قال حدثني عبد الرحمن بن عبد العزيز عن عاصم بن عمرو بن قتادة ، عن عبد الرحمن بن جابر بن عبد الله عن أبيه قال لما انكشف الناس والله ما رجعت راجعة هزيمتهم حتى وجد الأسرى عند النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم مكتفين . قال والتفت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يومئذ إلى أبي سفيان بن الحارث وهو مقنع في الحديد وكان ممن صبر يومئذ وهو آخذ بثفر بغلة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال من هذا ؟ قال ابن أمك يا رسول الله . ويقال إنه قال من أنت ؟ قال أخوك – فداك أبي وأمي – أبو سفيان بن الحارث . فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نعم أخي ، ناولني حصى من الأرض فناولته فرمى بها في أعينهم كلهم . وانهزموا . قالوا : فلما انكشف الناس انحاز رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ذات اليمين وهو واقف على دابته لم ينزل . إلا أنه قد جرد سيفه وطرح غمده وبقي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في نفر من المهاجرين والأنصار وأهل بيته العباس وعلي ، والفضل بن عباس ، وأبو سفيان بن الحارث ، وربيعة بن الحارث ، وأيمن بن عبيد الخزرجي ، وأسامة بن زيد ، وأبو بكر ، وعمر عليهم السلام .

Al-Waqidi in his book Al-Maghazi mentions hadeeths of Jabir bin Abdullah

The Messenger of Allah (saw) remained with a group of al-Muhajirin and al-Ansaar and from his Ahlul Bait Al-Abbas, Ali, Al-Fadl bin Abbas, Abu Sufyan Ibn Al-Harith and Rabee’3 bin Al-Harith…. Abu Bakr and Umar.

6. Zaad Al-Mi’aad

زاد المعـاد في هـدي خـير العـباد

الامام ابن القيم رحمه الله
قال ابن إسحاق : فحدثني عاصم بن عمر بن قتادة ، عن عبد الرحمن بن جابر ، عن أبيه جابر بن عبد الله ، قال لما استقبلنا وادي حنين ، انحدرنا في واد من أودية تهامة أجوف حطوط إنما ننحدر فيه انحدارا . قال وفي عماية الصبح وكان القوم سبقونا إلى الوادي ، فكمنوا لنا في شعابه وأحنائه ومضايقه قد أجمعوا ، وتهيئوا ، وأعدوا فوالله ما راعنا – ونحن منحطون – إلا الكتائب قد شدوا علينا شدة رجل واحد وانشمر الناس راجعين لا يلوي أحد منهم على أحد ، وانحاز رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ذات اليمين ثم قال إلى أين أيها الناس ؟ هلم إلي أنا رسول الله أنا محمد بن عبد الله وبقي مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نفر من المهاجرين والأنصار وأهل بيته وفيمن ثبت معه من المهاجرين أبو بكر وعمر ، ومن أهل بيته علي والعباس وأبو سفيان بن الحارث وابنه والفضل بن العباس ، وربيعة بن الحارث ، وأسامة بن زيد ، وأيمن ابن أم أيمن ، وقتل يومئذ .

Imam ibnul Qayyim (rh) in his book Zaad Al-Mi’aad mentions same hadeeths of Jabir bin Abdullah but through different narrator.

And there remain with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings upon him) group from al-Muhajirin and al-Ansaar and from his Ahlul Bait, among them who stood firm from al-Muhajirin were Abu Bakr and Umar, and from his Ahlul Bait Ali, Al-Abbas….

Number of sahaba who stood firm with the prophet[pbuh]:

1. روى الترمذي
1739 – حدثنا محمد بن عمر بن علي المقدمي حدثني أبي عن سفيان بن حسين عن عبيد الله بن عمر عن نافع عن ابن عمر قال:
– (لقد رأيتنا يوم حنين وإن الفئتين لموليتان وما مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مائة رجل) .

At-Tirmidi narrated:
After giving chain of narrator till Ibn Umar who said: I have seen on the day of Hunain two groups turned their backs and there was with the messenger of Allah (saw) 100 men.

2. وروى أحمد والحاكم من حديث عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن مسعود عن أبيه قال: ” كنت مع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم حنين فولى عنه الناس؛ وثبت معه ثمانون رجلا من المهاجرين والأنصار،

Ahmed and Al-Hakim narrated from hadeeths of Abdul Rahman bin Abdullah bin Masud from his father who said: “We were with the messenger of Allah (saw) on the day of Hunain when people deserted him, and those who stood firm where 80 men from Muhajirin and Al-Ansar.

3. وكان دعاء النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يومئذ حين انكشف الناس عنه ولم يبق إلا المائة الصابرة اللهم لك الحمد وإليك المشتكى ، وأنت المستعان قال له جبريل لقد لقنت الكلمات التي لقن الله موسى يوم فلق البحر أمامه وفرعون خلفه .

Al-Waqidi in his book Al-Maghazi…”There remain only 100 steadfast with him (Messenger).”

4. Also Tafsir Ibn Kathir and al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya of Ibn Kathir, where he said between 100 to 80 sahaba stood firm that day.

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14 responses to “Did Umar[ra] ran away from battle of Hunain

  1. shaherzad

    I didnt know shiias go to this extent to prove their point but now after talking to them i came to know they twist everything you say they will even quote wrong if it proves their point no respetc to truth bro.Thanks for clearing it up

  2. Shani

    Although I would love unity, there can never be unity while Shia use false accusations against sahaba (may Allah be pleased with them all).

  3. alitaj

    Read Surah Taubah Verse 24 -27 Where Allah accuses Sahahba of Running away in Hunain. How can Allah be please with those who turned their backs on the Prophet pubhp and Islam.

    • “Sahaba” if Sahaba were fleeing then who were fighting alongside the Prophet (saw) in battles? Only Ali? Who were the army of the Prophet (saw) other than the Sahaba? Allah says in the Quran to the Prophet (saw) that “It is He who supported you with His help and with the believers” (8:62)

      If you mean some from the Sahaba then I agree with you. Some retreated but THEN RETURNED to the Prophet (saw) in Hunain. Allah didn’t declare them disbelievers like the Takfiri Imam Sect does, Allah didn’t condemn to hell like the Takfiri Imami sect does. In verse 26 Allah says that He sent tranquility on the Prophet (saw) and the believers, gave them victory and PUNISHED THE DISBELIEVERS.

      Have you noticed that the followers of Takfiri Imami sect are only interested in finding faults of the Sahaba and never focus the Mushrikeen who fought the Sahaba and the Prophet (saw)?

  4. alitaj

    Typical Nasibi strategy is to denigrate Ali a.s. Prophet pubhp his descendants to justify with false binary and false neutrality. Such is the out of context example of Mehdi the son of Mohammed PUBHP, denigrated to elevate the cowards.

    Such is the case with denigrating Ali a.s. The Mujahid whoose Jihad always and over and over again saved Islam.

    Look at Ahuad same brave Sahabas ran away there as well.

    Look at Khyber same brave Shahbas would run away every day for 40 days.

    • The real Nasibis are those who claim Ali (ra) was a coward who let a few men beat his wife, the Daughter of the Prophet (saw), kill his unborn child, and does nothing. The real Nasibis are those who claim Ali let the enemies of Islam rule Muslims and change the religion while he kept quiet to save his life.

      Prophet (saw) didn’t have any son called “Mehdi”. Stop making things up. The so called Mahdi that takfiri sect of Imamia Ithan Asheri believe is a myth for such person doesn’t exist and was never born and Hasan Askari and his family denied such story.

      As for Uhud, Allah forgave those who retreated but for followers of Takfiri Imami sect the forgiveness of Allah is not sufficient.

      As for Khyber, nobody fled, please provide your evidence if you are truthful.

  5. alitaj

    We hold nothing against Umar and Co on this issue. Allah swt indeed forgave them. But, remember that they did this a number of times – before Uhud, at Uhud and after Uhud. Surely, Allah swt only forgave them on some, NOT ALL, of these occasions.

    Secondly, the incident exposes their hypocrisy. In Islam, it is compulsory to prefer the life, comfort and happiness of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) to your own. In these battles, Umar and Co preferred their own lives to that of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), prepared to sacrifice him to save their own heads!

    This is hypocrisy of the highest order. And this is why these events are important in shaping our view of Umar and Co.

    Why would anyone follow the such people as role models.

    • Talking without any evidence is the religion of the Ibn Saba.

      Anyways, who do you mean by “We”? If you mean the Imami Sect of Shiism then you are wrong, because doing takfir of Sahaba, wives of the Prophet (saw), and slandering them is from the pillars of Imami Takfiri Shia sect. It is like Abu Jahl saying “We hold nothing against Muhammad” (saw).

      You should worry about the 12th Imam who is hiding due to fear of Abbasid soldiers. He was, as claimed by Shia, appointed by God to rule and guide the Ummah but he abandoned his duty and hiding somewhere because he fears for his life. At least those Sahaba whom you claim fled battles are more brave than the divinely appointed 12th Shia Imam, who doesn’t even show his face let alone fighting a battle.

      • Kenz

        Actually, if you are able to understand the Arabic language and read the Hadith without being unbiased, you can clearly see that he says he saw the people flee and then he saw umar ibn al khattab with the people. Don’t go on lying to yourself saying no it’s not the ones fleeing, yes it is because previously it was mentioned when he saw the “people” he meant the ones fleeing.

      • No, it doesn’t.

        And We understand Arabic and can read the Quran better than your Grand Ayatollahs.

        Please join: forum.twelvershia.net for an academic and friendly discussion.

  6. You guys are so dumb. If you walk away from the battle you’ve lost, if you don’t call that running away than what do you call it? so dumb, no wonder why you sunnis are always blowing up yourselves, cursing those who are not sunnis, beheading and killing innocent people. Shias don’t do any of that. Shias live in peace with other people of different religion unlike you cowards because shia = humanity.

    • There are Shia militia killing people in Iraq and Syria. Don’t forget mass killer Bashar who is backed by Iranian Shia republic and Shia groups.

      The difference is that Sunni scholars condemn groups like ISIL but Shia scholars and their followers openly support Shia sectarian groups and Bashar Assad.

  7. Moderating comment means you guys are coward and only allows pro scummi (sunni) comments and you cowards are not ready to face the reality and debate. COWARD SCUMMIS lols

  8. sa

    “The reality of the matter is that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab and Abu Bakr (ra) and others from amongst the Mouhajirun and the Ansar have stood their ground and defended the prophet SAWS unlike what the lying Shi’ites claim!”

    HAHAHA so basically umar and abu bakr went against the will of Allah swt, as in bukhari, Omar says it is the will of Allah to flee, so not fleeing is going against the will of Allah. “I followed ‘Umar bin Al Khattab and asked (him), “What is wrong with the people(fleeing)?” He replied, “This is the Will of Allah,” [Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 53, Hadith 370]

    It never adds up.

    Read Quran for once:
    “O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight].” 8:15
    “And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell – and wretched is the destination.” 8:16

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