Shia hadith science Vs Quran: One important point to ponder


Here is a point to think deeply after reading this article. Then you realize: where shia stands when compared with the words of ALLAH & do they really care about Quran: the glorious the magnificent words of ALLAH?

There is a rule in shia hadith science, that some scholars have used in order to strengthen narrators that are originally unknown. For those that are familiar with Al-Saduq, and some of his books, you’ll notice that he often makes taradhee of his shaikhs. For example, he will say, Mohammed bin Musa bin Al-Mutawakil (radhee Allahu anh), and some Shia hadithists see this as a form of strengthening.

The following are some of their quotes:

1. Al-Burujirdee said (Miqyas Al-Ruwat p.150):

كثرة ترضي أحد أعاظم الأصحاب وأعيانهم في حق أحد من المشايخ، لا إشكال في دلالته على التوثيق

Rough translation: There is no doubt that a lot of taradhee by one of our major scholars upon on of the shaikhs is evidence that he is a thiqa.

2. Found this post by a Shi’ee on a forums trying to strengthen a narrator:

الشيخ الماحوزي – كتاب ولادة القائم المهدي عليه السلام بالروايات الصحيحة الصريحة – الصفحة 16:
علي بن عبد الله الوراق : من الذين أكثر الرواية عنهم الصدوق (قدس سره) ، كما قد أسرف في الترضي والترحم عليه ، وهذا كاف في التوثيق وإثبات العدالة .

Rough translation: Ali bin Abdullah Al-Warraq: One of the that Al-Saduq narrated a lot from, and he made tarahum and taradhee of him a lot, and this is sufficient to accept him as trustworthy.

3. الرسائل الرجالية – أبي المعالي محمد بن محمد ابراهيم الكلباسي – ج 2 – ص 392
والترحم من الثقة ظاهر في التوثيق ، فضلا عن الاعتبار ، كما يرشد إليه نقل الترحم من الصادق ( عليه السلام ) في ترجمة جابر بن يزيد بل عد الرضيلة والرحملة من الألفاظ الظاهرة في التوثيق .

Rough translation: …but even that taradhee and tarahum are clear statements for tawtheeq.

4. أصول علم الرجال بين النظرية والتطبيق – العلامة الداوري – ج 2 – ص 317
وبناء على هذا فيمكن التفصيل بين هذه العبائر، فإذا صدر الترضّي من الإمام عليه‏السلام فلا شكّ في دلالته على التوثيق، وكذلك الحال في صدوره من الأعلام العارفين بمداليل الالفاظ في حقّ معاصريهم، والظاهر أنّه يعدّ توثيقاً، ولا سيما مع الاكثار منه، فنفس الترضّي علامة على التوثيق، والإكثار منه تأكيد له.

Rough translation: …if an Imam makes taradhee then there is no doubt that this person is a thiqa, and this is similar if a major scholar used similar words with a contemporary, for it clearly implies tawtheeq, no doubt if he says it a lot…

So, as we can see, a decent amount of Shia rijal scholars feel this way about taradhee. In short, they will accept the taradhee of Al-Saduq or Al-Mufeed as a form of strengthening.

However, what if this taradhee was done by Allah (swt)?

Allah says in Quran surah tawbah ayah 100 [9:100] :

وَالسَّابِقُونَ الْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُمْ بِإِحْسَانٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ

And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness – Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph.

Comment: Nope. It doesn’t fit the standards of these Shia hadithists!! Still they curse & abuse the sahaba[ra] to whom ALLAH testifies their faith in Quran.. & unfortunately shia ulema or layman never realized that “And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar [Quran 9:100]” includes our 4 righteous khalifa[ra]’s as well & none of the report in this world denies this.

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9 responses to “Shia hadith science Vs Quran: One important point to ponder

  1. Revised and added with some missing points inadvertantly skipped earlier .
    First there were no four rightous khalifas . Khalifas are appointed by Allah.
    “Inni jaelun fil arz e khalifah”.There is no evidence that Allah through His massenger appointed Omar, AbuBakr & Usman as khalifah or the successor of Prophet of Islam They were mischiviously , dishonestly through a mockery of election apponited in a fake drama, the first one was declared selected by omar , omer was nominated by Bakr and he formed a fake commitee of six who selected Usman, who was later declared an apostate and wajibul qatl by ummul momeneen herself and her sympathisers killed him . These are the so called three Rightful (sic) khaleefah.who did rule the Ummah for some time while the true divine , Allah’s appointed successor was H. Ali alaihissalam who was the true Khalifatul muslemeen bilaa fasl and as such did collaborated when some sharai crises appeared and his counsel was prayed . Some times the infidals question when he was so brave that while the three failed in every islamic encounters, ultimately only he brought Victory, in one instance it was so shameful that while The Rasool e Kareem lay injured , they shamelessly ran away and came back only after realising that he was infact not dead and his real successor attended to him and brought to safety.This shameful behavior
    is a landmark in history. Then such a brave person why did not aserted himself and threw these out, because he was least interested in power and obeyed to the Rasool e Islam who tied his hands in a sence not to confront the ummah at any cost .
    And they say Allah testifies them . testifies for what ? their illegitimacy or usurping , did they not witnessed his appointment at Ghadeer and did they not payed allegiance to the maula there itself . I tell you, it is for this reasion I believe this hadees of Abu Horairah’s narration . Don’t you believe the hadees of abu horairah of the kauser pond ?. And what one of them said when the Rasool e Akram (saaws) was dying . When good sence will ever prevail with these ummahs ? Today we find they introduced so many innovations,and every innovation in Islamic Sharah is haram,neither the wazoo of the majority is right as per qora’an nor the azaan, aqamat and other deeny ahkamaats are right and the rozas are all batil as these do not confirm to Layl to Layl.Just a few minutes early breaking makes it a faaqah.
    Within the four fiqhs , there are huge differnces proving that each could never be right .The main question is why at all they depended on hearsay & a large number of false and fabricated ahadees and why simply did not followed the Ahlebayt as per the universally accepted hadees e saqlain ?.

  2. shaherzad

    For shiia’s Allah’s word is no important surah tawbah ayah 100 is nothign for them becoz it does not conform to their faith that is cursing sahaba!!!! those who take any other book for guidence except Quran is misguided.
    They only consider hadith regarding Ali to be correct but not to mention about aBU BAKR OR AISHA ummul mumineen they think they are heirs of risalat and a shiia said this to me now is risalat something too heir.It has ended with the propeht no one changes anything in the quran thier matam tabarra taqayya nowhere in the Quran.
    TAQAYYA
    TABARRA
    MUTA
    this is shiiaism wwrapped in the name of love of ahlebayt(oh which doe snot include his wives)
    Thier haith science is joke not to metion htier aqeeda that is why non muslims make fun of muslims if porstitiuiton is legal then where is piety in islam
    I can answer all their stupid answers based onhistory but for us ahlesunnah quran’s wrod is everything if it says so its enuf for us.

  3. The whole Islam is Misyar Zawwaj.
    The whole Islam is Behind Omar who burned the house of Lady Fatemah (saa)
    The entire Islam is behind AbuBakr with whom Fatemah (saa) was angry & Cursed him.
    The whole truth is Lady Ayesha cursed Usman, said he is apostate,wajib ul Qatl.
    Ameer ul munafeqeen Moaviah laid a trap and killed Janab e Ayesha and you are proud of him .Call Ameer and his son a Prince who fought another Prince / LWQ
    You never did wazoo as per Qora’an , All your Namaaz Since time immemorial batil .
    You love so much the chil;dren of your Rasool (saaws) that on their death anniversary you enjoy Cinema and see pious peoples weeping and crying say Shirk Shirk , Bada’a Bida’a and your brothers and sisters weep and cry with holding the flag with a picture of the biggest International Terrorist when he was sent to Jahannum.This happened in your blessed country witnessed by lacs . And still you claim to be a muslim LWQ .

  4. It is foolish to say that Shia Curse Sahabah . Shia have the greatest respect for the rightful Sahabas . Salman (a s ) ,Maqdad (a s ) Ammar (a s ) , Mukhtar , his Father , Grand Father and so on all pious , respectable great Sahabas Rasool e Akram (saaws) guaranteed their grant of Jannah , not those munafiq who immidiately after the Rasool e Akram (saaws) closed his eyes became the greatest enemieas of the progeny of him LWQ . The biggest Usurpers, Terrorists and Cheats . Abu Horairah has atleast one rightly narrated hadees in which the innovators are dragged towards Jahannum Rasool e Kareem Protests and Allah says”Dont you know what innovation you did after you departed and the Bhole people expect that true muslims will respect them . Your own Aalim Janab Ishaq sahab says why they should not be cursed when they are convinced that they killed Rasool’s Progeny . Do you expect they will love them .

  5. They never reply to specific points :
    Explain your wazoo visa viz Qora’an.
    Explain why sahabah were absent from mubahila.
    Explain where was she and why not encamped under the kiss e taharat.
    Explain is it not true bakr usurped fadak and was cursed by her step daughter
    Where were the three sahabas at the burial of their Rasool
    What history says how Hazrat mohsin died .
    Who inflicted the wounds of Fatema(s) ribs brocken and she died of it .
    THE TRUE ANSWER TO ALL THESE WILL MAKE THE KHULAFA E SALASAH
    HATEFULL, CRIMINAL, INFIDAL, JAHANNUMI. ADMIRE THEM GO TO JAHANNUM WITH THEM,WHO CARES ?

  6. Hadees Kissa e yamani is un disputed , explains every thing .

  7. Shani

    Zaheer hussain khan says Abu bakr Umar uthman selected in mockery looooooolz

    Nahj ul balagah letter 6 it was with the pleasure of Allah even according to Shia books.

    Subhanallah!!!

  8. Shani

    Sabres hussain khan claims it was a mockery and dishonest election looooolz

    Nahj ul balagah letter 6 it was with approval and pleasure of Allah even in Shia books

    Subhanallah!!!

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