Prostration [sajda] on carpet


I saw many shia rafida quoting the hadiths what they liked about prostrating [sadja] on earth while sajda [in prayer]: & give stress on the blue text below: [i will give shia arguments in quotes with highlighting blue text & highlight the important text with red which was left by shia’s]

1. Abu Sa’eed Al Khudri narrates:

The Messenger of Allah used to practice Itikaf (in the mosque), in the middle third of Ramadan. After the twentieth night, he used to return home on the twenty-first, and those who were in Itikaf with him would return to their homes as well. In Ramadan, in which he practiced Itikaf, he would pray the night prayers on the night in which he returned home, and then address the people, instructing them as Allah commanded him. He said, “I used to practice Itikaf for these ten days (i.e. the middle third of Ramadan), but I now intend to stay in Itikaf for the last ten days. Whoever was in Itikaf with me should stay at his place of seclusion. I have certainly been shown (the date of) this Night (of Qadr), but I have forgotten it. Search for it in the odd nights of the last ten days (of Ramadan). I also saw myself (in a dream) prostrating in mud and water.On the twenty-first night, the sky was covered with clouds and it rained, and the rainwater started leaking through the roof of the mosque onto the praying place of the Prophet. With my own eyes, I saw the Prophet, upon completion of the morning prayer, leaving (the mosque) with his face covered with mud and water.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 3.235

Comment: As ou can see when we read complete hadith with red text. We realize that what ever shia rafida try to portray is out of context.

As we know older floors are not that of marbels etc. [atleast those floors which was made by muslims & even they did’t have enough money to make a solid roof, so they make a roof of leafs] they are of soil. So due to rain & leaking of roof that soil become muddy.

& this is common sense: Even when you have carpet over that muddy soil, & you do sajda on it then of-course your forehead will get wet.

Now shia may say: they don’t have money to make roof & they have money for carpet. So i say carpet can be of light cotton as well. A carpet like bed sheet is also used as carpet in mosques. & khumra is also used because it is less expensive.

2. Abu Hazim narrates:

Sahl bin Sa’d was asked about the (Prophet’s) pulpit, as to what was it made of. Sahl replied: No one is still alive among the people who knows about it better than I. It was made of tamarisk forest wood. So and so, the slave of so and so, prepared it for the Messenger of Allah. When it was constructed and placed (in the mosque), the Messenger of Allah stood on it, facing the Qibla, and said, “Allahu Akbar”, and the people stood behind him (in prayer). He recited and bowed, and the people behind him bowed. Then he raised his head, stepped back, descended and prostrated on the ground. He then again ascended the pulpit, recited, bowed, raised his head, stepped back, descended and prostrated on the ground. This is what I know about the pulpit.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.374

Comment: The 2nd hadith is not showing anything about the must permissibility to pray on mud-water. It is only saying prostrate on ground! What do you think if you sit on cotton sheet than ground will become somthing else?

3. Hazrat Maimuna said:

The Messenger of Allah used to pray on a Khumra (a palm leaf mat large enough to place one’s face, while in prostration).

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.378

Comment: Not that it is necessary to pray on soil/leaves/stray or whatever else it is that you Shi’a have inovated as wajib. Notice something special about the third & forth one? We used to, it was something done before that Anas (ra) is recalling which stopped being done later (was replaced by khumra).

& here is the SAHIH hadith about the sahaba[ra] praying on cloth when it is too hot:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: We used to pray with the Prophet in scorching heat, and if someone of us could not put his face on the earth (because of the heat) then he would spread his clothes and prostrate over them.

Al-Bukhari, Sahih (English translation), vol. 2, book 22, no. 299

4. Jabir bin Abdullah narrates:

The Messenger of Allah said: I have been given five things which were not given to any of the Prophets before me. These are:

1. Allah made me victorious by inspiring awe (and fear in my enemies) for a distance of one month’s journey.

2. The earth has been made a place of prostration for me, and a place to perform Tayammum. Thus, my followers can pray wherever (i.e. in any lawful place) they like, when the time of prayer is due.

3. War booty has been made lawful for me.

4. Every Prophet was sent only to his own nation, but I have been sent to all mankind.

5. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.429

Comment: Same thing again, answered above.

But see the red text: prophet didnot said: pray only on soil or sand. He said: pray wherever [lawful place] you like.

5. Abu Sa’eed used to relate that he had seen the Prophet prostrating on wet mud, so much so that he could see mud stains on his forehead.

Saheeh Bukhari, Part I, p. 104

Comment: Same hadith of leaking of roof by Abu Sa’eed [ra] in Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 3.235 [first hadith]; answered above.

6. Hazrat Maimuna said:

The Messenger of Allah was once praying while I was experiencing my menses and sitting beside him. Sometimes his clothing would touch me during his prostration. She added: He prayed on a Khumra (a small palm leaf mat).

Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 376

Comment: Same thing Khumra is less expensive mat made of palm.

& i think the hadiths of khumra is against shia agenda, bcoz shia stress to pray on soil or mud or sand; but prophet was not wealthy man, so why did he prayed on khumra? Why not on soil or sand? which was available in plenty & free of cost.

7. The Prophet used to place his forehead on the earth while prostrating.

Saheeh Bukhari, Part 1, p. 97

Comment: Again same thing, why not this hadith said: he usually placed his forehead on soil or mud or sand?

& if you do sajda on carpet or cotton, this do change the property of earth! i.e. It is only saying prostrate on earth; What do you think if you sit on cotton sheet than earth will become somthing else?

& last but not the least: As for the ahadeth regarding prostration upon mud, they can’t be a proof for people of innovation [i.e. shia ar-rafida], that it’s prohibited to prostrate upon carpets.

Because:

I) If it’s stated that he (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) prostrated upon mud, that doesn’t mean automatically that he prohibited to prostrate on anything other.

bcoz we have SAHIH hadith that prophet[pbuh] did sajda on cotton or carpet etc. whic shia try to potray that it is haram to do sajda on carpet or cotton etc.:

1. صحيح البخاري ج1 ص150
حدثنا عبد الله بن يوسف قال حدثنا الليث عن يزيد عن عراك عن عروة أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم كان يصلي وعائشة معترضة بينه وبين القبلة على الفراش الذي ينامان عليه

That the prophet (pbuh) used to pray, while Aisha is between him and the Qibla, upon the bedding that they slept on.

2. Sahih Bukhari : Volume 8, Book 73, Number 222:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet was the best of all the people in character. I had a brother called Abu ‘Umar, who, I think, had been newly weaned. Whenever he (that child) was brought to the Prophet the Prophet used to say, “O Abu ‘Umar! What did Al-Nughair (nightingale) (do)?” It was a nightingale with which he used to play. Sometimes the time of the Prayer became due while he (the Prophet) was in our house. He would order that the carpet underneath him be swept and sprayed with water, and then he would stand up (for the prayer) and we would line up behind him, and he would lead us in prayer.

II) Prostration to be done on many limbs, not only forehead. So people who arguing that we should put earth under our foreheads, are wrong. If they using such ahadeth as a proof, they should also put their arms, legs, noses upon mud.

Now lets proceed to shia hadiths:

here’s s shia hadith showing that sujood must be upon the earth :

و لا يجوز السّجود إلّا على الأرض أو ما أنبتته الأرض، إلّا ما أكل أو لبس، و لا يجوز السّجود على القبر

“And sajdah is not allowed except upon the earth or what grows (from) the earth, except what (can be) eaten or worn, and sajdah is not allowed upon the grave”

Source: Al-Toosi, Al-Nihaayah fee Mujarrid Al-Fiqh wa Al-Fataawa, pg. 101

Comment: As you can see shia prostrate on turba [sand of hussain’s[ra] expected grave].

Note: Our [sunni] Janamaz aren’t made from cow-hides or alligator skins you dimwitted rafidis, these “synthetic carpets” are made usually from what grows in the earth.
“[The specific 18th century is made] on a silk and cotton foundation.” (02 exhbition)
“100% cotton prayer rug w/pouch; 20″ x 40″; woodland camouflage material.” An online Islamic store
“Velvet prayer rug 30% cotton and 70 % acyrlic in size 110×70 and ” Turki’ store
“We must pray on something from the ground, such as soil, leaves, straw etc…,Taking the soil, and compressing it is fine.”
“Whereas prostrating on synthetic carpets, as the sunnis do, voids the prayer.”

But lets see: Do shia eat turba [sand of imam hussain’s grave]? If yes, then this goes against their aqeeda & sahih hadiths [or may be mutawatir hadiths] which says that: sajda can’t be done on those things which can be eaten.

The Respectable Twelver Shiite Scholar on the popular Shiite TV Channel Al Anwar talks about the Fiqh of eating Husseini Sand:

Translation and highlight of Speech:

The Guy holding the microphone asks the question, “It is mentioned by the Prophet PBUH that it is Haram to eat Sand, does this include the Sand of Hussein’s grave?

Now the scholarly answer:

Generally it is unaccepted to eat Sand in our Fiqh but at the same time it is Mustahabb (Loved by Allah and his Prophet) for a believer to eat a small quantity of sand “As Big as a grain of Hummus” of the sand of Hussein’s grave [turba] because it has healing properties.

Generally there are many Sahih hadiths about the turbah/Sand of hussein’s grave, there are narrations about mixing it with water from the Iraqi river of Furat and rubbing it on the gums of a newborn baby ((Muslims have a narration About Dates and water if I recall, these guys replaced the dates with Husseini Sand)), It is also mustahabb to put a little bit of his sand in the grave of any deceased person, it is also mentioned that it’s Mustahabb to carry a little bit of it when travelling and so on..

Comment: of course it is important for all twelvers to know that it must not be bigger than a grain of Hummus because they usually have a bad Habit of Swallowing a handful.

Lets see more hadiths on it:

1. عن أبي الحسن قال « كُلُّ طِينٍ حَرَامٌ مِثْلُ الْمَيْتَةِ وَ الدَّمِ وَ لَحْمِ الْخِنْزِيرِ إلا طِينَ قَبْرِ الْحُسَيْنِ فَإِنَّ فِيهِ شِفَاءً مِنْ كُلِّ دَاءٍ وَ لَكِنْ لا يُكْثَرُ مِنْهُ وَ فِيهِ أَمَانٌ مِنْ كُلِّ خَوْفٍ» (الكافي3/378).

Abu al Hassan said: Eating Clay is Haram just like eating the dead, blood and Pig meat, Except for the Mud/Clay of Hussein’s grave for it has healing properties and is a cure for all diseases But do not consume much of it and it has peace from every Threat.
Al KAfi 3/378.

2. وجاء في مفاتيح الجنان » لا يجوز مطلقا على المشهور بين العلماء أكل شيء من التراب أو الطين إلا تربة الحسين المقدسة استشفاء من دون قصد الإلتذاذ بها بقدر الحمصة. والأحوط أن لا يزيد قدرها على العدسة، ويحسن أن يضع التربة في فمه ثم يشرب جرعة من الماء ويقول: اللهم اجعله رزقا واسعا وعلما نافعا وشفاء من كل داء وسقم« (مفاتيح الجنان547).

It was written in mafateeh al jinan page 547 that: According to what is popular amongst the scholars that it is strictly forbidden to eat any Mud or sand except the Holy Sand of Hussein’s grave to seek the healing powers and not because of liking the taste and take as much as a grain of Hummus. And better that it does not go beyond the size of a lentil and it is even better to put this in his mouth then drink water and say: O Allah Make us benefit from our knowledge and increase our wealth and cure us from each Disease and illness.

You’re gonna thank God that they’re actually eating sand instead of something else once you read what this shia Scholar says below:

بول الأئمة وغائطهم سبب دخول الجنة
ليس في بول الأئمة وغائطهم استخباث ولا نتن ولا قذارة بل هما كالمسك الأذفر، بل من شرب بولهم وغائطهم ودمهم يحرم الله عليه النار واستوجب دخول الجنة) (أنوار الولاية لآية الله الآخوند ملا زين العابدين الكلبايكاني 1409هـ – ص 440).

Nothing which comes out of the Imam like Gha’et* and such is Dirty and Malicious or impure, on the contrast everything they produce is Clean and pure like Musk, In Fact if anyone drinks their Urine or “Gha’et” or blood, Hell will be forbidden for him and he must enter heaven.

Source: Anwar al Wilayah, Ayatullah al Akhound Mulla Zain al Abedeen al Kalbaykanee, 1409 hijri-Page 440.

*Gha’et = Excrement  or Shit.

Comment: this is not Ghulu BTW only the “evil wahhabies” see this as ghulu.😉

Shia rafidi ayatullah Sistani also says Eat Sand, It’s good for you…

السؤال: هل يجوز التداوي بالتربة الحسينية بقدر الحمصة أو أكثر؟
الجواب: نعم يجوز أكل التربة الحسينية للتداوي بمقدار لا يزيد على الحمصة المتوسطة الحجم والأحوط وجوباً الاقتصار على تربة القبر الشريف وما يقرب منه على وجه يلحق به عرفاً.

Fatwa by Ayatullah Sistani, Translation:

Question: Is it permissible to cure one’s self with the sand of Hussein by consuming as much as a grain of Hummus or more?

Answer: Yes that is permissible, and you eat as much as a average sized grain of hummus and it is better to restrict this to the sand of the grave and the area around it.

Source: http://www.sistani.org/local.php?modules=nav&nid=5&cid=1503


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4 responses to “Prostration [sajda] on carpet

  1. neither sunni shia, islamia

    wow!! all those words, so the quran says earth/ard is for salaah and tayammum? we know how for cleansing but how for salaah, because its not general its specific since we are on ard, nowhere else, so if they determine to do it on a piece of ard ore suchlike eg straw, isnt it at least a good innovation of showing humility? like wearing cotton instead of silk etc?

  2. so how is ard used for salaah? as ard is used for tayyammum? can anyone answer?

  3. hassan

    only comment and say if u know about it
    have patience in hering the truth and dont impose any thing on others that u think is correct ..u may be wrong

  4. There is no filth more dirtier than ignoring your own ignorance.

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