If there was a prophet after me, then it would be Umar: why shia mock on this hadith


Let me first quote the hadith from sunni source:

If there was a prophet after me, then it would be Umar.

1. عن عقبة بن عامر رضي الله عنه قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول ثم لو كان بعدي نبي لكان عمر بن الخطاب هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ولم يخرجاه المستدرك على الصحيحين ج 3 ص92

source: mustadak ale alsahihen vol.2, page 92 & The hadith is sahih.

2. وعنه أيضا قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول ثم لو كان من بعدي نبي لكان عمر بن الخطاب مسند ج4 ص154

source: musnad vol.4, page 154.

3. عن عقبة قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول لو كان بعدي نبي لكان عمر بن الخطاب مسند الروياني ج1ص174

source: musnad alrawiyani vol.1, page 174

4. و عن عصمة قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم لو كان نبي بعدي لكان عمر بن الخطاب المعجم الكبير ج17 ص180

source: al majum al kabir vol.17, page 180

5. لو كان بعدي نبي لكان عمر

source: Silsala Al-Sahiha, vol. 1, hadeeth no. 327, graded as hadith Hasan.

8. عن عقبة بن عامر يقول سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول ) ثم لو كان بعدي نبي لكان عمر بن الخطاب ( .فضائل الصحابه لابن حنبل ج1 ص356

source: fadail al sahaba vol.1, page 356

7. و الحاكم ( 3 / 85 ) و صححه

source: Haakim recorded in vol. 3, page 85 and he said it is sahih.

8. رواه الترمذي ( 2 / 293 ) و حسنه

source: Narrated by Al-Tirmidhi, vol. 2, page 293, and he said it is Hasan

قَالَ هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ غَرِيبٌ لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ مِشْرَحِ بْنِ هَاعَانَ ‏

Tirmidhi [rah] said: This hadeeth is strange/unique Hasan (hadith), we do not know of (this) hadith except from mishrah bin ha aan”.

& Mishrah bin ha aan: is “hasan in hadith” (see his tahqiq of Musnad Imam Ahmed, no.17,405).

و الروياني في ” مسنده ” ( 50 / 1

ثم رواه النجاد من طريق ابن لهيعة عن مشرح به . قلت : و هذا سند حسن رجاله كلهم ثقات ، و في مشرح كلام لا ينزل حديثه عن رتبة الحسن ، و قد وثقه ابن معين .

Then Al-Najaad narrated from the path of Ibn Layah from Mishrah from it. He said: And this sanad (chain of narrators) is Hasan, all of the rijaal (men) are thiqat (trustworthy), and about Mashrih words it does not lower his hadeeth from the degree of Hasan, and because he was (considered) thiqah (trustworthy) by Ibn Maeen.

The issue is that Ibn Hibban in Kitab al Majruhin (no.1068) has said that Mishrah reports unsupported munkar hadith from ‘Uqba b. Amir (Allah be well pleased with him) and concludes that we leave whatever he is alone in and accept whatever agrees with other reliable reporters.

The reason why Al-Albaani has said that this is Hasan is mainly because of the tawtheeq (authentication) of Ibn Maeen, he was seen a very strict guy when he would authentic someone. So whenever you see Ibn Maeen authenticiating someone, it holds  alot of weight. And also, Al-Albaani’s conclusion was, that the stuff that was said about Mishrah doesn’t lower it from Al-Hasan. Al-Arnaut had this view of this Hadeeth after this hadeeth was narrated in Ahmad’s Musnad. (See: Al-Arna`ut, Tahqeeq Musnad ahmad bin Hanbal)

Comment: Hadith is authentic as whole.

& i don’t know why shia always mock on this hadith & say:

See wahabi/sunni believe Umar is equivalent to prophet & even claiming indirectly that Umar is prophet!!

Now lets see what shia hadith says:

أَنَّ قَوْماً أَتَوْا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ص فَقَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنَّا رَأَيْنَا أُنَاساً يَسْجُدُ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ص لَوْ أَمَرْتُ أَحَداً أَنْ يَسْجُدَ لِأَحَدٍ لَأَمَرْتُ الْمَرْأَةَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِزَوْجِهَا

Abu Abdulah[as] said: A group came to the Messenger of Allah and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, we say a people who some of them would prostrate to some. So the Messenger of Allah said: Were I to command anyone to prostrate to someone I would have command the wife to prostrate to her husband.

Kulayni in Al-Kafi, vol. 5, page 507 -508, hadeeth no. 6 & Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth has a Sahih in Mirat Al-Uqool, vol. 20, page 320

Note: As u can see blue colored statement from shia sahih hadith: That S.A.W. said “wife to prostrate to her husband”.

Now what shia say here! Did S.A.W. compared HUSBAND with ALLAH!!

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11 responses to “If there was a prophet after me, then it would be Umar: why shia mock on this hadith

  1. Brother, I hope you know that the wife prostrating to her husband hadeeth is seen not only in Shee`ah books but it is seen in sunni books.

    فإني لو كنت آمرا أحدا أن يسجد لغير الله لأمرت المرأة أن تسجد لزوجها
    “If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone other than Allaah, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands.”

    Source:
    1. Al-Tirmidhee, Sunan, hadeeth # 1159
    2. Ibn Maajah, Sunan, vol. 3, pg. 116 – 117, hadeeth # 1853

    Grading:
    1. Al-Albaani said this hadeeth is SaHeeH
    –> SaHeeH wa Da’eef Ibn Maajah, vol. 4, pg. 353, hadeeth # 1853
    –> SaHeeH wa Da’eef Sunan Al-Tirmidhee, vol. 3, pg. 159, hadeeth # 1159
    –> Irwaa- Al-Ghaleel, vol. 7, pg. 54 – 58, hadeeth # 1998 (Al-Albaani has went in depth of the aHaadeeth breaking down all the isnaad)

    2. Ibn Hibaan has said this hadeeth has a SaHeeH isnaad
    –> Ibn Hibaan, SaHeeH, hadeeth # 1291

    3. Aboo Taahir Zubayr ‘Alee Za’i has said this hadeeth is Hasan
    –> Sunan Tirmidhee, vol. 2, pg. 528 – 529, hadeeth # 1159

    • again u miss the context. i said WHY SHIA MOCK ON THE THIS HADITH!!!!???

      i never said we don’t have this hadith!!
      The thing i only showed the comparision b/w the two.
      & may be u know that we, ahlusunnah never mock on umar[ra] due to this hadith & we never consider him prophet after muhammad[pbuh]… this is only done by shia’s not by us.

  2. Anon

    Are there any Shia sources that say that if Prophethood had not ended, the 12 Imams would’ve been Prophets? If so, can you give me the reference and text?

    • Ameer Raza

      there is no such shia belief or evidence of it, please open your minds to do greater things and stop hating

      • TRUE.THERE IS NO SUCH BELIEF. THIS IS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST SHIAS. I CAN AND ALL THE SHIAS CAN ANSWER YOU BACK. BUT THERE WILL BE NO END. STOP IT, THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR ANY ONE OF US. EVEN IF YOU HATE US, YOU MAY DO THAT, YOU PEOPLE WILL GET NO WHERE. ULTIMATELY THIS WILL GO AGAINST YOU ALL. I HAVE RREAD NOT ALL OF IT BUT WHATEVER I HAVE READ I HAVE GOT A FAIR IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE UPTO. NOW I WANT TO SAY JUST ONE THING HERE, AND WITH THAT YOU WILL KNOW WHO STANDS WHERE. I ASK YOU,”WAS IBN E KJATTAB LIKE MUHAMMAD SAWAW”……..NO NOT AT ALL. BUT, EXCEPT ONE …………… ALI ASWS IS LIKE HIM. WE SHIAS DON’T QOUTE ANY SUCH LIKE HADEES REGARDING ALI ASWS. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT.

  3. There is also the Shia hadith: Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) said: “If it wasn’t for the Prophet then i wouldn’t have created this world, and if it wasn’t for Ali then i wouldn’t have created the Prophet, and if it wasn’t for Fatima then i wouldn’t have created Ali”…

    Sanad might be weak, but their scholars don’t base on sanad only hence you see that it is accepted by most shias and shia scholars

  4. Ameer Raza

    ok gentlemen … just to clear the evidence provided above let me clear this up very strictly for you , there are no sunni and shia hadis. So the hadis presented with the shia tag says the word “prostrate” , now there are various meaning of this word , in the “limited” vocabulary of Islamic students here what you understand is “bow down in worship.”

    I turn your attention to the other meaning of “prostrate” which is “to ADORE and look with RESPECT” , so please correct your vocabularies before you disrespect people with complete evidence.

    • Zaky

      The same goes for this Hadith, when The Prophet SAW say “if there was a prophet after me it would be Umar” it doesn’t mean that Umar is equivalent to a prophet, but rather his intuition is always correct as if he was divinely inspired, for example throughout the life of the prophet Allah several times agrees with the opinion of Umar (RA) for example when The Prophet Prayer for the Janazah of Abdullah ibn Ubay (Munafiq) Umar didn’t agree with this, and not long after that an ayah was revealed about not praying Janazah for a non believer.
      Note: The Prophet SAW prayed Janazah out of compassion and respect for the son of Abdullah Ibn Ubay (as he is a Muslim)

  5. Imran

    I love hazrat ali (ra) and my prophet best companion abu bkar umar osman n ali (ra) my imam ali never hate them fought wit them respect them so people who talk bad about is not right in any way islam is united and wil be one by respecting ahley bait and sahabas inshallah ..ya ali madad

  6. I love hazrat ali (ra) and my prophet best companion abu bkar umar osman n ali (ra) my imam ali never hate them fought wit them respect them so people who talk bad about is not right in any way islam is united and wil be one by respecting ahley bait and sahabas inshallah ..ya ali madad .

  7. Shukee

    AstagfiraAllah

    Did the Holy Prophet (saw) ever waste his time with useless comments? Didn’t the Prophet (saw) repeatedly tell us that he is the last messenger?

    Prophets are born Masoom and chosen by Allah (swt) himself and not by any man not even by any Prophet. Umar was an idol worshipper and drank alcohol for most of his life. Is this the pure character required of a Prophet? This pathetic hadeeth us fabricated and only designed to raise the rank of Umar and reduce the Great rank of Ahlulbayt.

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